US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

I wasn't discussing all the crap Iran gets up to with their proxies. I was discussing or asking for the actual evidence of an active nuclear program. There has been zero presented. The IAEA and US Intel say Iran currently does not have a weapons program.

Everytime Iran get sanctioned, attacked or sabotaged, they up the enrichment. So I'm asking is it better to actually engage with Iran (like Obama done) which resulted in all their enriched uranium being destroyed or sanctioning them, attacking them this further driving their enrichment program underground?

What ever the odds of them ending up with a bomb prior to the strikes on their nuclear facilities, you can be damn sure it's higher now. But this time there's zero monitoring and we'll probably only know when they do a test.

I don't think the Saudi route is open to them.

We all look at this from a western perspective but for a Middle east perspective this is all about the 1300 yr old Islamic schism; Iran on one side is isolated with the Saudi and it's allies front and centre on the Sunni side.

The west has chosen to do business with the Sunnis and part of that alliance is the sidelining of Iran.

Iran's proxy war with Israel and it's promise to destroy Israel is part of its goal to establish Shi'ite Islam as the dominant force in the region.

What annoys me the most is the blatant pro-Israel propaganda ….. the whole Western World with this attitude ….. no matter what Israel do they still get backed up ….. sick is what it is …… it is also sick that Israel blame Iran for organising Palestinian resistance ….. as if to say all the fightback against Israeli settler aggression is planned in Tehran ….. in reality it is planned in Gaza and the West Bank every time Israel murders innocent Palestinian civilians ….. Iran along with others merely offer support ….. but the spark and the fire comes from Palestine …..

I begin to see more and more the West have long tried to brainwash their citizens ….. Saddam and his nonexistant WMD …… Iran and a nuclear program that was supposed to take a few months to build back in 2012 ….. and all this talk of World War 3 being imminent …… it seems to be all the orchestrated brainwashing and scaring of people by a warmongering political elite ……

I saw it in the entertainment sector years before ….. perhaps to get today's politicians esp Republicans in the USA onboard when they were young impressionable teenagers and 20 somethings ….. I remember in XtraVision and other video rental places getting all them gung ho films where the Americans were the good guys and the communists or Palestinians were the bad guys ….. most of these films were made by Cannon aka Golan Globus and this was an Israeli company set up by immigrants from the Soviet Union who relocated to Israel ….. I remember at the time enjoying Chuck Norris shooting all the 'bad guys' and failed to notice the message then …. all I wanted was action and did not notice the poor scripts of things like the anti-Arab The Delta Force and its propaganda …..

Long before Netflix and quick release DVDs these films …. some of which went straight to video ….. were the only form of entertainment in town ….. I remember going into the store and maybe renting 3 of them ….. and then one day I got tired of them ….. when the Iraq war broke out in 2003 based on lies I think it opened up in me a re-evaluation that the West were not the good guys ….. and that the bias in these films I used to watch in the early 1990s was part of a brainwashing culture to get people onboard in hating Russia, Vietnam, Iraq, Iran, whoever …… countries got mentioned by name in them often …… it was no surprise when I found out many of the stars of such films were often hardline pro-war pro-Israel Republicans …… everything became clear ….. I would not touch one of them films I described with a 40 foot pole today ….. but back then no one seemed to see them as anything other than films ….. and those who were old enough to see the propaganda in them prob said it was just fantasising about finishing off the Vietnam war …. many of them were about a gun toting ex soldier/Vietnam vet going back to rescue supposed POWs who were 'still held' in Vietnam …… nowadays all one has to do is watch the news and see these films made into a reality show instead !!!! …..

Iran both supports a population a 1000 miles away (the palestinians) and attacks their enemies (israelis). It's no different to the US support of Israel. I don't think anyone would claim the US have hijacked the israeli cause.

Iran supports their allies, just as US supports their allies. Just because you think the American support for Israel is genuine and the Houthi/Iran support is somehow fake and different is irrelevant.

If Iran was supporting the Israeli side in this conflict would you have this same view of them?

Iran's support for Hamas is extremely limited at the moment. It's virtually impossible to get any weapons or rockets into Gaza as Israel controls all the entry points into the tiny enclave. Yes, they may be giving them money, but it's not much use to Hamas without any weapons or hardware.

I would argue that 'western' support for Israel is as cynical as Iran's support for Hamas. Starmer, Macron and Merz probably privately regard Netanyahu as an evil b*****d, but seem to be taking the attitude of 'my enemy's enemy is my friend'.

Palestine Action have sprayed paint and abused some of our staff in the UK, to the point we have told them not to come in if they feel threatened

Their crime, is working for a company who has an office in the same building as a regional Allianz office.
it ain’t terrorism, but they really need to cop the **** on.

the German based global company insure an Israeli arms company, so Allianz office in the uk have been attacked. I think the GAA is being called on to end the sponsorship with them as well.

Firstly, a critique of your posting style/methodology is not 'personal abuse' by any metric.

As for 'crashing vans' I don't know - Ask Desmond Wisely, who crashed into the gates of the Russian embassy in Dublin in 2022, much to the delight of the D4 'centrist dads/leinster rugby bros' who incidently seem to have lost their voices when it comes to Gaza....but I suppose that's a hypocrisy your owns posts reflect. You may even have given him a little holler of support too!!!

There's no stupidity by those involved, their acts in the round are futile but they're doing what they're doing to illustrate war crimes, western hypocrisy and any critique that they are due pales into insignificance beside the criticism of the UK, US, Israel war machines and in that regard I'm very comfortable with my moral stance.

In a country that has suffered from real terrorists calling these activists domestic terrorists is completely tone deaf. They are criminals for sure but don't mangle the language to suit your biases.

Indeed, well put.

I the general condemnation of Israel, most of it is well warranted, however certain minimizing and sympathy and mischaracterization of the Iranian regime is odd. They aren't doing anything in good faith and certainly not for the Palestinian people.

To use a very crude analogy, if they pulled a fraction of what they have done via proxy to Israel on a country like e.g. Russia or China they'd be a smoking hole in the ground.