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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Add to that, the Ukrainians have better aim, better soldiers, and a far greater resolve to fight than the wretched conscripts that are being pushed at them. Russian numbers do eat up the bullets available to the AFU, which is an issue, but those numbers don’t matter much when they are facing a professional Ukrainian Army, and the best Moscow can offer is a caravan of unending human suffering clad in rotting Soviet-era combat wear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭yagan


    "The beatings will continue until moral improves" seems to be the Russian way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Some time ago (at least a year and a half, maybe two) I heard someone suggest that of all the occupied Ukrainian territories that could be re-taken, Crimea made the most military and political sense.

    It's a vulnerable outpost at the best of times, and the Kremlin can only hold onto it by sending supplies across the Kerch bridge or the narrow strip of land at the north - easy targets for an army with a plan. In contrast, taking Luhansk or Donetsk would likely be for the Ukrainians the same kind of slow trudge as it's been for the Russians coming in the other direction. The border is so long there is no single choke point that would really cripple logistics (at least not any more than the Ukrainians are doing already).

    More valuable, though, would be gaining control over that part of the Black Sea, with the indirect effect of providing increased protection for Odessa; and even more valuable still would be the utter humiliation inflicted upon Putin if everyone in Russia knew that he had lost Crimea.

    It'll be a great day when we see the blue-and-yellow flying over Sevastopol!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,125 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Saw an unpleasant selfie vid of an unfortunate conscript from an ethnicity far from those degenerate Moscovites, offing himself rather than face the beatings and other consequences of desertion. Surrendering just seems to delay things because understandably, Ukraine just exchanges them for their own. Returned Orcs are treated as deserters and get shipped straight to torture centres.

    It just gets worse by the day:

    A warblogger says that the battlefield is strewn with Russian bodies. Those who survive are reportedly treated as deserters and told they should have died.

    I hope a breaking point is soon reached and that a massive bloody mutiny ensues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,934 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    That’s grim reading, do the soldiers who are willingly signing up know what awaits them ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,125 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    This is exactly what I hope things are leading to. Perhaps too much to hope for, but one can dream. Imagine Ukrainians rolling into Mariupol!

    If only countries in Europe would be as keen to provide fighter jets in Ukrainian skies for the very deserving Ukrainians as they are to field them in the middle east to protect the undeserving Israelis.

    Ukraine as dam.jpg

    That is the literal truth, Israel does nothing for anyone except themselves. Europe's sense of priorities are beyond warped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    You need to get on a stage to get attention while chanting “Death death to Orcs” these days

    Multiple the number of dead and wounded and dozens more cities destroyed and worse over a longer time frame but yet all one hears on news is wall to wall kneecap coverage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭Jeju


    Ukraine launching missile attacks in Donesk, Crimea and the airfield in Rostov. Apparently the 8th army HQ in Donesk blown to smithereens and storms shadows fired in Crimena.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    Why is western media so obsessed with Israel - Gaza war when the Russia - Ukraine war has higher overall death rates per month?

    Israel Gaza War 80K deaths in 9 months, 8900 per month. Russia Ukraine war since '22 over 400,000 deaths in 40 months, 10000 per month. Both wars most probably much higher in reality.

    The longer war with higher death rate should be getting more news coverage not less! Russia - Ukraine war is vital to the future of Europe yet it has been under reported since last October. The far left & their media sympathisers in Ireland & Europe are still under heavy Russian influence, many are still traditional tankie scum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭yagan


    Both involve the injustice of an invader nation treating civilians as legitimate targets, but on the whole Israel is more vexxing because its genocide has the support of the USA which has a lot of familial ties to Ireland. The same can't be said about Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,833 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Big hit here. Could be fair few high ranking individuals killed here

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Probably because one's a conventional war that's in a stalemate situation, and the other is just a state blasting a tiny, densely populated area and inevitably most of the casualties are civilian.

    Look at the Syrian war, it was hot news for a long time, and then it just tapered off completely for the same reason, despite the ongoing war and casualties - it only came back into focus years later with the fall of Al-Assad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,868 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    It's fairly simple the current "war" in Gaza has a potential of starving a population of 2 million people and is a current humanitarian crisis.

    Western media continues to cover the Russian invasion on a daily basis there is just not much to report to create headlines.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0bqztzm/episodes/player

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/02/russia-ukraine-war-listen-daily-podcast/

    The figures you provided for Gaza are for the majority innocent citizens caught up in the daily IDF slaughter hence it gets more focus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    There’s already more than two million casualties in this war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,868 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Not really sure how that post backed up with nothing disputes my previous post.

    The claim was western media don't cover the current Russian invasion. I provided two links to show that at least 2 sources do on a near daily basis.

    I tried to explain how the current situation in Gaza is heading towards a humanitarian disaster due to starvation inflicted by the IDF directed by the current Israeli Government so that is why it's getting more media focus.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Unfortunately, history has shown the opposite. The advantages to holding Crimea you mention are correct, but the problem is taking it back in the first place. There are not many overland routes to attack Crimea, those narrow routes (The isthmus to Ukraine is about 3km wide) can be easily defended. The options are to try to batter your way through a killing ground, or conduct an amphibious invasion. Neither is particularly easy for Ukraine to do and over the centuries, Crimea has been quite a slugfest to fight over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Ukraine got huge coverage when it looked like Russia might steamroll it. Gaza is currently getting huge coverage because it looks like Netanyahu May succeed in wiping it off the face of the earth.

    It’s not really a competition. If it was, Tigray/ Eritrea/ Ethiopia and Sudan would like a word.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Probably to do with the fact the Russian's gained 100% full control of the Lugansk region yesterday.

    Also the loss of Datshne which is the 1st village in Dnipropetrovsk region to be captured since the start of the conflict happened yesterday.

    Quite significant events in the overall context of this conflict

    Post edited by brickster69 on

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭thatsdaft




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭zv2


    I'm not sure Israel-Russia is a good comparison. Israel has been under attack for decades Russia has not. Their histories are very different. I don't condone anything Israel has done by way of crimes but the context is very different. Genocide has been declared against Israel but not Russia. Surely there is a difference here?

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    The country we are told is not involved in this war and does not send soldiers and equipment celebrates a year of participating in said war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭yagan


    It's more accurate to say Israel has been annexing for decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,833 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    European response to North Korea fighting on European soil was incredibly weak.

    Suppose if they crossed into Ukraine proper. Might be a different response, who knows.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,125 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Lots of lovely secondary explosions and panicked Orcs squealing and running, after a factory that makes air defence systems was hit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    The Israeli invasion of Gaza has wall to wall coverage by journalists, overseas government defence attaches, United Nations emergency organisations, Human Rights observers, plus various non governmental charities & aid workers. Obviously news of Israeli atrocities gets exposed very quickly by the media & overseas governments.

    In Russian occupied Ukraine, the true total of civilian murders & atrocities, rape, kidnaping & abduction of children taken away to Russia as well as other war crimes has yet to be fully exposed in the same way as above. The large scale press gangs / forced conscription policy of putting reluctant civilians into military service, the large scale abuse & murder of Russian soldiers by their "own side" are also massive war crimes, as are the constant "meat waves" of under equipped / badly armed undernourished soldiers being sent into battle.

    Lack of western access to battlefield regions by Russian military ensures that the true story is not exposed for now. I suspect that the true totals of carnage will eventually be revealed, it's just a matter of time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,125 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Reinforcing what I said earlier, yet more strikes on Orc air defences in Crimea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭yagan


    Everyone in Eastern Europe is well aware of the Russian meat grinder, but Ireland has had a tangible presence as UN witness to the decades long Israeli policy of terror and genocide.

    The biggest enabler to that murder is the USA, which we are heavily bound up with trade.

    Our skin in the middle east game is far deeper than being peripheral as an EU member supplying shelter to Ukranians.

    Plus our lazy anglosphere dependency for news feeds underserves us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Russian media starting to sabre rattle against other ex soviet states now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,659 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    I know people have been saying for about 3 years now that Russia will eventually run out of men, of weapons, of money, the sanctions will start to pinch etc.

    But it does seem like even Moscow are now acknowledging they have difficulties. I believe the war has taken a massive toll on Russia.

    This now becomes quite winnable for "the West", they can up the ante and force Russia to the negotiating table.

    1. Use the frozen funds to give Ukraine what it needs. Give them the technology they need.
    2. Secondary sanctions. The EU and the US are critical trading partners for China and India - whereas Russia are not. If the right pressure is applied, they can brought into line. They have been allowed to have their cake and eat it.

    That would leave Russia in a dire position, and hopefully persuade them to agree a peace deal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    It’s an old Soviet tactic, deny there is any problem until the problem is absolutely bitchslapping them in face

    See Chernobyl for example or the smaller spending as percentage of GDP on arms race compared to this war which ran USSR into the ground

    We now have Putin and everyone around it suddenly openly using the recession word every day

    The whiplash their useful parrots abroad must get is something else, just witness the 180 degree contradiction I highlighted a few posts up

    They also dug themselves into a hole with rhetoric about the US being the Satan, can’t use that anymore with Trump and trying to paint the EU as an evil empire is hilarious at best

    Anyways tis another bad week for Russian aviation

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