Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

That's a lovely rant but back to the original comment how are customers being scammed?

Buy item for €1 addition charge of 15c deposit. Bring item back and get the 15c back.

Where is the scam?

Poor reply. Not deflecting anything. You did not seem to read my previous posts on the topic.

Is the German system also a scam?

Again, good points let down by hyperbole.

The airport should have been solved long ago, events should have mobile DRS, the machines should be more accessible.

Home delivery for the able bodied isn't a point.

How transparent is the German scheme on its rationale and the activities of its operator?
I've demonstrated that Re-turn is dishonestly presenting the scheme to the public.
It is also shielding itself from scrutiny to a degree which should not be acceptable in the sole body operating a state scheme.

So I've outlined the reasonable basis on which to call the scheme a scam. You are of course free to disagree. I'm pretty sure the thread has had this 'scam' argument already, with the same posters making largely the same points.

The purpose of the scheme is to increase collection rates, so home delivery is a point against the scheme, especially when combined with the exemption size & lack of council Re-turn outlets - that is on Government and councils.
It is setup in such a way that Re-turn are funded by unclaimed deposits. The more they fail, the more money they accumulate. But Re-turn are limited in what they can do, but enough that they can allow Government and councils to dodge responsibility for the gaps and failings in the scheme.

None of that is true, except the bit about the bin surrounds.

It can't be €54 million in February and still €54 million now. All those containers could have come back since. But I have some I bought last week still not opened.

It was €54 million in February which is far far higher than it should be and so forms a reasonable basis for the discussion. The idea that "all those containers could have come back since" is nonsense given that the target is 90% and there's absolutely zero evidence to suggest a 100% return rate. The ones that weren't returned during the absolute shambles of a rollout won't be coming back now that's for sure.

So what's the figure now in tens of millions?

Show us the figures from Re-turn demonstrating that it isn't true and what they've been doing with the unclaimed deposits.

Otherwise, we'll stick with the figure quoted in the media, €54 million.

What a no brainer brilliant because there is only me and Mrs Sliabh our volume is quite small but going to the centre and see people with massive amounts to dispose of is areal turn off

The bulk machines should be installed at council sites. It would facilitate charity \ schools \ sports groups doing collections.

Councils getting off scot free here in doing their part.

Can be paid for out of those tens of millions Re-turn are sitting on.

The manufacturer aren't making many seems to be the biggest issue. They really haven't made many so far so how are you guying to buy many more? No doubt they cost more too.

The council aren't in anyway responsible for the scheme so no part to play.

Isn't there an existing plan for any money they make?