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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Funny that. You don't take the word of amnesty international, human rights watch, UN special committees, almost all scholars on genocide and the holocaust, re what is going on in Palestine at the minute and are quiet happy going along with anonymous internet posters in trying to defend it.

    But good to know that if ofcom and the BBC agreed with the distinguished bodies mentioned above, that would swing you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,965 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Two music bands you never heard of until recently (I never heard of the Vylan act until today) get you exorcised and yet nearly two years of war crimes and daily atrocities don't seem to bother you too much as shown by your loyal defence of Israel and the same old tired arguments trotted out daily...anti semitic & yet to be proven in court.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭pjordan


    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62884y1pl5o

    Sounds very much like yet another calculated and deadly cynical IDF attempt to silence those managing to get some truth out of Gaza, rather than having any sort of justifiable military purpose. Although I'm sure the IDF and their supports will try to claim they were targeting terrorists who were using the cafe's wifi!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,402 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    I've said it before, if you're more outraged by a musician/artist saying something on stage than you are by thousands of children being slaughtered you need to have a fcuking word with yourself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    The funny thing is Israel would be the most against death to Hamas. I'd be perfectly happy for them to die off and get replaced by a two state solution, but that's not what Israel wants.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,658 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That may be the aspect that Ofcom are looking at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,685 ✭✭✭Odhinn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Given there is a chance of a cease-fire, the IDF are predictably doing what they do best - maximising carnage:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    I think the term anti semitism no longer has any meaning. If by chance you do feel it has merit and value then those in the IDF are doing more to spread anti semitism around the world than anyone who professes to hate Jews.

    The actions of the IDF are making the best possible case for Israel to cease to exist as a nation. It starts wars with neighbours, treats Arabs inside it's border as second class citizens, land grabs to make illegal settlements on Palestinian land and regularly mows the lawn where hundreds to thousands of Palestinians are routinely killed in Gaza before the current genocide. It is run by Zionists who seek a Jew only state from the river to the sea. Their really is nothing to say that Israel should continue to exist as a nation.

    Let it be dissolved. All those Jews who hold Zionism deep in their hearts can return to Europe where they came from. Those Jews who can see their Palestinian brethern as equals should be allowed to stay in a new Palestine from the river to the sea. Israel is a cancer in the middle east and as long as it exists it will continue to cause mayhem,

    Post edited by batman75 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,111 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Given that the stream was live, whoever was operating the feed would scarcely have had even a moment to react - the singer started chanting 'Death to the IDF' out of nowhere and had finished it within a few seconds…..virtually nobody in the TV gallery would have the reaction skills to make a serious editorial decision to halt a broadcast in the space of 5-6 seconds (and even if they had blocked it, the chant would already have been heard in full by the audience).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Maybe we can agree on something. Will you join in condemning the hate speech of singers Kneecap, singers Bob Vylan and Israeli government minister Ben Gvir and Israeli government minister Smotrich?

    Can we agree that Israeli settlers and IDF soldiers chanting “Death to Arabs” is the same as chanting “Death to the IDF”.

    Do you condemn all of the hate speech above Blanch?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    Looks like America is going to stop Bob Vylan from playing there but will let the genocidal head of Israel visit anytime he likes. We are living in truly messed up times. Full credit to Bob Vylan for calling out the IDF. It was about time. More need to do it. Let the Jewish snowflakes melt. It's about time the IDF and Israel was properly held to account for it's actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,771 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    As a European you have far more of a reason to have issues with radical Islam. It’s not Jews blowing up kids at children’s concerts or stabbing babies in their prams in Europe. Yet for some reason it’s fine to attack all Jews?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    The Jewish state is one founded on the principle of Zionism. Which is a rotten ideology. An ideology which requires the natives to be oppressed and ideally eliminated. The IDF are making Jewish people be hated around the world. The lack of Jews not speaking out against the genocide is also appaling.

    This thread is not about radical islam so I completely disregard your point. It's about Palestinians being slaughtered on an industrial scale by a rogue regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The IDF are blowing up kids.
    Where have Islamic terrorists stabbed babies in prams in Europe?


    Ali Dawabsheh was an 18 month old baby burnt to death by Israeli settlers. His death was celebrated by the Israeli settlers at happy occasions like family weddings. These actions were defended by current members of the Israeli right wing extremist government.


    In December 2015, Israeli police began investigating a video of a Jewish wedding in Jerusalem celebrating the marriage of a person known to have been involved in price tag attacks, in which guests are shown stabbing a photo of the toddler, Ali Dawabsheh, who had died in the Duma arson attack. The same video contained scenes of guests, armed with guns, knives and Molotov cocktails, chanting a song with the words from the book of Judges (16:28), "O God, that I may be this once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes", replacing "Philistines" with "Palestinians".

     A lawyer for the defendants in the case, Attorney Itamar Ben-Gvir, now Minister of National Security, was also present and later said "No one realized these were photos of a member of the Dawabsheh family" - talking of the toddler photo which was stabbed and then burnt by wedding guests. Such scenes are reported to be typical of many such weddings.”

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,771 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    If Israel is making people hate Jews then surely Radical Islam has already done more than enough for people to hate Muslims.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Or death to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT ISLAM OR MUSLIMS! Do you get the message or are you trolling?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,771 ✭✭✭Potatoeman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    Why are they radical? What has caused them to be radical? Israel and the Zionist ideology that runs through Israeli society is your answer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,685 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    In fairness, there are many Jewish voices against the Israeli states activities

    https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/resource/zionism/

    https://www.ejjp.net/

    Rabbis For Human Rights

    https://www.rhr.org.il/eng

    https://www.btselem.org/

    https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/

    https://hamoked.org/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,685 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    "Radical" Shia. It's the extremists of the Sunni branch that attack the "West", in general.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    I'm not convinced that the only way to stop the Jews ethnic cleansing the Palestinians is to ethnic cleanse huge numbers of Jews.the only answer IMO is a 2 state solution with minimal contact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    Israel will never let a 2 state solution work. They will never let a Palestinian state be free of interference. I have no interest in seeing Jews ethnically cleansed. Hitler did and it served no purpose just as the Israeli genocide serves no purpose in Gaza except incite hatred for Jews around the world. But those who have a love for Zionism cannot stay in the Middle East and should return to Europe. Those Jews who respect the Palestinian natives should be allowed to stay in a Palestinian run state. A Jewish state will never afford Palestinians equal respect in practice or before the law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,547 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Not only is it ok to hate genocide, it should be the default position.

    Genocide is a crime against humanity, the worst of all crimes.

    If someone said 'Death to the SS' or 'Death to the Gestapo' Or 'Death to the IRA' or 'Death to Hezbollah' (which the Israelis did by setting of thousands of indiscriminate bombs hidden in pagers a few years ago) or 'Death to ISIS' or 'Death to the Taliban' would you be on here claiming it to be hatespeech?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    The crucial point is they are a drop in the ocean and not enough to affect Israeli policy. I'm sure they're were Germans who hated the Nazi ideology but ultimately it could carry out it's crazy extermination of the Jews. The Holocaust makes the genocide in Gaza all the more poignant. The Jews have learned nothing from the Holocaust again man's inhumanity to man.

    The're are prominent Jewish speakers like Ilan Pappe, Gideon Levy, Alon Mizrahi and Norman Finkelstein who can see the madness of the Israeli regime and current genocide. I enjoy hearing their take on Israel and the M/East in general.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,869 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Which is why you also routinely condemn Israelis government ministers that incite violence against palestinians, and the IDF when they engage in acts of state terrorism. Oh wait.. you don't.

    As I suspected you are all for criminal prosecutions and condemning criminal behaviour when it aligns with your own ideology but not so enthusiastic about it when it comes to the IDF and the Israeli government .

    You disingenuously persist with the canard that strong criticism of Israel happens in a vacuum ( People tend to have a visceral response to reading about children been starved and seeing images of emaciated children)

    As I have outlined it doesn't happen in a vacuum but you need to frame it that way rather own up to your own appalling double standards. You can of course prove me wrong by stating the deliberate starvation of people to pursue a war aim is a vile war crime. That murdering people queuing for food is another grotesque war crime, that you condemn unreservedly

    Also that you agree Nethanyu should be in the Hague and will welcome the day he is there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,685 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    It's truer to say that many are generally from the world Jewish diaspora and thus have no vote that would affect Israeli policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    Nothing stopping them holding mass rallies outside of Israel to call out the genocide?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Randycove


    they’ve been providing aid directly for months, but obviously couldn’t when Israel closed the border.
    no world leader will call something genocide, that is up to the ICJ to decide. I’m pretty sure all three countries support the ICJ so not sure what your point is. It is pretty moot though, because Netanyahu is a pariah isn’t going anywhere, except maybe the US for a long time

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjr4gvydxeno

    No 10 indicates Benjamin Netanyahu faces arrest if he enters UK - BBC News



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