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Solar for Beginners [ask your questions here]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Curry Addict


    here is a graph of today, mppt2 has 7 panels and mppt1 6 panels. mppt2 never seems to show the benefit of the extra panel.

    solar gen.jpg


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    That's looking fairly typical of East west, I wouldn't say anything is wrong

    You can see east start strong and then wane after solar noon, (1ish) then west comes in strong and easy dies away.

    You will also be limited by the inverter max of 5kW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭CivilEx


    I have a ground mounted system (16 panels) that has ground anchors similar to your pic. The bars at an angle going through the upright are about 900mm long in mine.

    Installed last Oct and we have had two red weather wind events since including the infamous Eowyn storm. No movement whatsoever in mine thankfully.

    On the depth query, keep your cables at a depth that they won't be disturbed again. 600 sounds sensible if not covered by Regs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,159 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    FYI, the power-loss through thermal effects on a hot Irish day (such as 27C) is around 10%, just so you know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭homewardbound11


    Many thanks for the reply .
    Good to know anchors can hold . I see some literature they can hold 98 kms wind speed which is ok . I sent a query to the supplier on max gusts just to be sure . It would be lovely to see 130 gust speed to keep up with our norm winter conditions nowadays .

    I can always run a ring beam of shuttered concrete as ballast to the anchors if needed . I’ll wait to see what comes back

    For sure shallow trenches carrying low voltage but high currents are dangerous and I’m surprised there isn’t regs on DC . I’m doing the trenching so it will be .600 for sure . It just makes me query everything .



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Solar PV isn't high current. Maxes out at about 10-13 amps per string.

    Voltage could be about 4-500v but not sure what is defined as low voltage in this context.

    One person's high voltage can be another's low!

    600mm is more than enough though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭homewardbound11


    ah yes . I was putting the current at 40 amps roughly . I forgot they are spread across 2 strings . Its understandable as ones person high voltage would be 10kv and another’s would be 400. My background is electronics so it’s all high to me .

    Post edited by homewardbound11 on


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,404 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    bumpy enough start here! the install was scheduled to take place thursday before last; that was the day with yellow lightning warning so the roofers had to cry off. but the electricians came and fitted the battery and inverter etc. anyway. the roofers came last week, but with no electricians. today the electricians came for the commissioning, and realised that one of the strings is not producing any voltage - an issue they'd have spotted had they been here on the same day as had originally been the intention. but there were no roofers on hand to rectify that…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,159 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Oh no, annoying. Even the lick-test would have been enough on the day. 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Curry Addict


    i have a solis 5kw inverter with a 10kwh battery, recently installed. i am thinking of adding another 10kwh battery for a total of 20kwh. i want to move to a plan with a cheap 3hr charge window at night. Will i be able to charge 20Kwh of batteries every night during this short window?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    Probably not, what's the max continuous charge rate of the 5kw Solis?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,404 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    does the 5kW capacity refers to both DC to AC conversion, and AC to DC conversion? and that the battery is charged with a DC current.

    if that's the case, your three hour window would allow 15kWh of charging - given that the batteries probably won't have allowed themselves to discharge to zero anyway (my 5kWh duracell seems to only have a 4kWh usable capacity), you'd go most of the way to a full charge within that three hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Curry Addict


    i suspect its 5kw per hour. so max 15kw in 3 hrs in theory. how do people significantly charge their EV's with such small windows i wonder.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    EV can charge at 7kW, which is over 20kWh about 120km ish of driving.

    Energia have a 4 HR cheap window



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    Many users here have changed from Solis to Sunsynk/Deye as the Solis doesn't actually charge at 5kw dc. The claimed rates last for a short period and then derate. I'm not 100% sure if this applies to your model though.

    Do you have battery charging graphs you could upload?

    I only have a 2 hour window and I can charge my Ev about 20% in that time. My daily use is usually below 20% but if I require more charge, I have a higher night rate outside the 02:00-04:00 window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Curry Addict


    I have not yet charged the battery from the grid so no relevant graphs. I am in the mid stages of setting up my system. I am now realsing that 10kwh battery is not nearly enough to cover our daily consumption in the dark months. So im about to pull the trigger on a second 10kw battery. Our daily consumption is around 23kwh. So i need to know if i can charge 20kwh of batteries daily on a cheap night rate. my goal is a net zero elec bill.

    So it seems i can probably charge 16kwh of battery in a 4hr window which will probably work for me. but no experience of real world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    What's the cost of the extra 10kWh though? While a net zero bill is a great target it surely depends a lot on the Feed in Tariff rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Curry Addict


    cost 2350 supplied and installed. its a lot but it will mean i can put the system on autopilot. If i can get net zero then the paypack time should align with the rest of the system



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    OK that's a good bit cheaper than I expected for 10kWh, have fun.

    The payback on my battery was something like 12 to 15 years payback but I got it mainly because I wanted it. I've been able to avoid peak tariff with just a 5 kWh battery.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,404 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    If the battery allows you to pay 7c per unit rather than say 27c, and you're using that 10kWh every day - you're saving €2 per day so the payback time would be approx 1200 days.

    However, you'd need to add maybe 10% to that time if the usable capacity is not 10kWh?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,019 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Or you could get a slightly bigger battery than your daily usage, charge every night (with a 5kW inverter, approx 15kWh which would cost you 83c with Pinergy’s 3 hour window) and force discharge what you don’t use for 25c per kWh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Curry Addict


    yes this is exactly it. I hope to buy for 7c instead of 25c(my current plan) and ideally cover a full days usage in wintertime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Curry Addict


    I have no experience of charging and charge times, one big question I have, is will I be able to charge both batteries in the time window allowed. 3 hrs seems too short to fill 20kwh batteries although only 16kwh usable.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Test and see, how fast you can charge your 10 kWh



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,404 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    There was mention above of solis inverters not holding a steady 5kW when charging at night; what sort of performance are people seeing? Asking as a brand new owner of one who had missed that info.

    Also, the power to a car charger; does that come through the inverter? I.e. would the 5kW have to be shared between the house battery and car charger, even when pulling 5kW?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Curry Addict


    i will run a test tonight charging for 2 hours and see how that goes



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Older versions definitely throttled, newer ones I don't think they do. (Test and see?)

    Power to the car charge point is separate to the inverter, but will be limited by your import capacity (ESBN say 50 amps average over 10mins) so 25 amps for battery charger and the charge point may throttle to stay under the limit it's set at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,847 ✭✭✭con747


    @DrPhilG did some testing on this a good while ago and the results weren't as bad as people were saying so he might be able to clarify it better. It's in a thread here somewhere but finding it won't be easy with the search as bad as it is.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    With a 5kWh you've no issue with charging performance. I charge mine at a rate of about 1.2 kW. Only an issue if one has >15kWh battery and need to be at max charge rate.

    A car charger will be supplied from your fuse board like any other appliances; oven, Triton shower etc. even the domestic AC supply to your inverter is from fuseboard.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,847 ✭✭✭con747


    Threads stuck again.

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