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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Latest development from German politicians - they voted yesterday 444/135 to stop family reunification for asylum seekers as capacity has reached its limits in education, housing etc. It does not affect people recognised as GC refugees.

    Will other countries facing similar issues follow suit?

    https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/06/27/german-lawmakers-vote-to-curb-family-reunification-programme



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Another EU neighbour making changes.

    Portugal is restricting access to citizenship with tighter rules.

    https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/06/24/portugal-tightens-citizenship-rules-doubles-residency-requirement-for-most-foreigners



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭enricoh


    I see homeless figures hit new heights yesterday, some homeless charity fella saying they need more houses built.

    Between the endless amount of homeless charities I have never heard one of them mention limiting immigration. It's always more money n housing required - strange how they all sing off the same hymn sheet once the shekels keep rolling in!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    WWe Need to do something here as well,first thing that should be done is restrictions on non EU residents buying houses,there should be a 5 year residency rule before you can buy a house.

    The housing crisis needs to be tackled and our young people need to be housed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,762 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I would be in favour of deporting all foreign criminals and not have them serve their sentences here .

    Really that comment was not serious / was tongue -in - cheek , but in response to your comment that all citizenship can be revoked.

    I would dearly love to see some of our repeat offenders gone from this island too but realize that would not be possible .And no I don't expect other countries to look after our offenders but likewise we should not have to.look after theirs .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭nachouser


    You'd probably need to supply some sort of information as to how many non-eu residents are buying houses in Ireland before putting it as a solution to a problem that may or may not exist? Are there really that many cash rich non-eu residents rocking up and buying houses within 5 years of moving to Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Theres loads Of property being bought by non EU residents,but even 1 is 1 too much,let's follow the Danish model where you can't buy property unless you are resident for 5 years.

    Many people in this country over the years were screeching for Ireland to follow Swedish/ Danish social and immigration policies.Now these countries are cracking down and admitting they got it wrong,we should follow suit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭_Quilombero_


    And to those homeless stats you can add the many asylum seekers living in IPAS accommodation for years, or decades, after they have received permission to remain or deportation orders. They should no longer be in IPAS centres after their applications have been decided but in some centres almost half of the occupants have received their outcomes.

    And with professional catering, laundry services, transportation, utilities, dedicated HSE and NGO clinics, I doubt many would be searching too hard for their own accommodation even if it were plentiful.

    There's a constant need to build new centres because beds are not being vacated while more keep arriving. The government is using IPAS to provide long-term unofficial social housing. This is discrimination against native people and clearly it is unsustainable.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2025/06/27/people-with-right-to-remain-in-ireland-stuck-in-direct-provision-centres-due-to-lack-of-housing-hiqa-finds/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I would love them gone too but every country should look after their own sinners.

    As for your first sentence deporting criminals before their sentences would only work if the they would serve their term back home at least for very serious crime. If someone was raped you'd want him doing the time rather then walk home free. But there would be plenty in for crimes where an individual wasn't seriously harmed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Again, what is loads? If you're saying it's a problem then you should be able to state some sort of numbers that suggest non-eu residents have some sort of current advantage that you think they shouldn't have.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,762 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,762 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    In fairness I was talking about non violent crimes .

    I would imagine ferrying someone off without any trial would be tantamount to a crime itself if they had raped or murdered someone as no guarantee they would serve any time at home . But anything else send them home straight away

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Contact Cso for the stats or anecdotes,whichever ye prefer.BTw Do ye accept that the housing crisis is exacerbated by immigration or do ye subscribe to the notion that population growth does not affect housing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Did you read the link you provided?

    This is not a stop to family reunification for asylum seekers. You are wrong.

    This is temporary two year stop for family reunification for individuals refused asylum but where it is considered too dangerous to send back.

    Theses individuals have what's called subsidiary protection and family reunification had been stopped for this group only.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Site Banned Posts: 375 ✭✭xyz13


    Mod: Warned for ignoring Mod Instruction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Water2626262


    The MNC angle is interesting. They are contributing way and above in terms of tax revenue. Attracting high earners who pay large sums of income tax.

    Irish people have seen a huge benefit from this but the other side is we are now bringing in thousands of workers to make products and services for markets outside the country. The result of this is people who have lived in Ireland for many years are now being priced out of housing and services etc. Even in the job market you may have to compete against millions of other applicants across the world (albeit there are some hurdles employers have to go through before they can take on non EU staff).


    What is the alternative though? We are a rich country on paper but not much use to people earning 40-60k a year who are locked out of the housing market and putting off having kids etc. Maybe people need to hustle harder and work 60+ hours a week to get up 100k job level….. Sounds healthy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Nah they bring their houses with them shure🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    See my previous post where I said “It does not affect people recognised as GC refugees

    Every refugee is an asylum seeker but not every asylum seeker is a refugee.

     



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,762 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I don't think that pointing out that one is being hyperbolic saying the first automatically infers that one agrees with the latter .

    Is just a meaningless comparison .

    .By your saying those two statements together in such a facile way demonstrates that you are just posting that for 'thanks 'and dog whistling.

    Besides which I was not discussing either just that you were making great statements without proof and now expect others to provide that proof by looking up data .

    Classic deflection

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    You have some neck to call it dog whistling,its a real and important question that needs to be addressed in the current housing climate.

    You're a great one for the questions but you deflect when asked a question yourself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,762 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You didn't ask any reasonable question of me , that's the point.

    Why put the second statement as one I should agree/disagree with if I agreed to the other ?

    Just stirring and yes dog whistling .

    I have said how I feel.at other points in the thread quite clearly and I don't need anyone to be putting words in my mouth that are not representing my views .

    You are posting in bad faith so am leaving you to it now ..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    There you go again,anything you dont agree with is stirring/dog whistling,you really need to cop on TBH.Calling people names because you cant/won't answer the question is absolutely juvenile so yeah we should leave it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    All MNCs hire staff from around the world.

    However, the fact that so many MNCs are located here means those companies employ a far greater number of irish workers than they otherwise would, if the MNC were located in London or Paris or Berlin.

    If the MNCs moved out of Dublin tomorrow, tens of thousands of irish born citizens wouldnt have a job and would have to emigrate to avail of the same employment opportunities they enjoy in Ireland, today.

    We dont need fewer first class employment opportunites for Ireland's youth, which is exactly what we would get if the MNCs moved out of Ireland.

    More homes is what we need, not less employment opportunity for both our current & future generations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,762 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Well said @BlueSkyDreams

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    We have been told we need to import 80,000 construction workers to build homes at the required rate (55k per year).

    Where will all these workers live given the acute accommodation shortage at present?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    That is another issue and not relevant to the point i made.

    To your point, the CIF have stated that we already have the workforce to deliver 50k+ new homes per year and the blocker is down to planning and other procedural restrictions, rather than a workforce shortage.

    The govt could do more to bring us past the 50k new homes per year mark, I do agree with you on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    It is true that even though Irish employees are the minority in most of these MNCs, the MNCs do employ more Irish than they would if they were located elsewhere.

    However, they also bring in a majority of workers from abroad and this puts pressure on housing. Perhaps a housing levy imposed on MNCs that would pay for the additional housing needed if a worker is brought in from outside?

    But ultimately I think we have to realise that we're no longer in the 1980s when jobs at all cost was the priority. We now need to focus on housing and services for those already here. This might slow headline GDP growth in the country but so be it. Developed countries should not necessarily be high growth countries if that leads to unsustainable imbalances in society.

    It is very easy to say lets build more homes but also easy to forget why we have too few homes despite quite a good rate of building in the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    The sad reality is that the racists would rather crash the economy than accept immigration. The far right indoctrination in these people is so strong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I see your point but I think a housing levy would just make Ireland less attractive to MNCs.

    The govt should assign a greater portion of the tax take from MNCs to housing and services, which means the sector would pay a disproportionate amount towards building new homes and infrastructure.

    MNCs employ about 15% of the workforce, but they pay more income tax and PRSI than all the other workers in the country put together.

    MNCs are also responsible for almost 90% of our Corporation Tax.

    The MNCs are more than playing their part, but the problem is the govt are not using the contriibutions they make effectively and thats on the govt to do better.



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