Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

United have made 2 bids now and should just walk away. We said publicly we wouldn't pay the Man Utd tax anymore ; Mbuemo had a year left on his deal and can join us next season on a free if he wants.

Time to move on to other targets instead of caving into another clubs demands we've already spent 3 weeks on this transfer time to move on

He has 2 years left. One year option. The deal is already done. Just negotiating how much is upfront.

I think we'll eventually cave in and give them what they want.

Move on to the next target.

We could regret that. I think Mbeumo could have a similar effect on the team as Mane had at Liverpool who was another target we passed on. Watching him play reminds me of Yorke aswell. Very strong and direct with an eye for the goal.

2 points pet game used to be PL title contender. That's 76 points for the season if that continued. That's a huge ask and not realistic. Arsenal ended second on 74 points. You need to adjust your expectations or it will just be a constant manager rotation.

you're right, the opening fixtures are tough. looking at them in more detail 15 - 20 points is doable.

Just wait for the links to start to random players all over Europe as another option to try put pressure on Brentford only for United to give them exactly what they want.

Fabrizio now reporting that Fenerbache are no longer interested in Sancho.

I find it hard to think of anyone who would approve signing him.

Hes comically expensive and he has completely burned his mask and showed everyone he only cares about money. I dunno if the Saudi's would even see him as worthwhile.

At this point its a given we'll have to be paying his wages next year, only question is will any club bother taking him for free or will he just be living it up at home getting paid.

I'd like to know if Amad is going to be happy to be a permanent rwb, and if that's Amorim's plan, or if he thinks Amad is not good enough to be a starter further forward.

Mbeumo is not worth that money in terms of the improvement he would be on Amad playing as the right no.10.

I think Amad was better last season out wide as the RWB. Mbuemo in the 10 would offer serious pace and power behind the 9 which we have lacked. Amad's ability to play both roles is a great attribute to have allowing cover in both positions throughout the season.

Why do people get drawn into the specifics of negotiations in such a juvenile way?

Do people seriously think that the negotiating team of Brentford are sitting there saying 'We want the same amount you paid for Cuhna'?

Clubs arrive at valuations for players based on a number of metrics calculated from complex methodologies that would be largely private and discussed between the negotiating teams.

The valuation of a recent transfer can definitely be used as a singular negotiating point but it'd be very naive of anyone to think that it's the central premise upon which everything hinges on. It's a great click bait headline for media organisations and social media influencers/aggregators to run with but clubs don't have teams of negotiators that are earning large salaries to conduct talks on such a simplistic basis.

I'm quoting the BBC

Sources have suggested Brentford would want at least the same fee as Wolves have received for Cunha up front before they agree to the sale of a player who still has a year left on his contract.

Valuation isn't as complex as you are making out + valuation and price are not the same thing necessarily. Brentford may feel that with 2 years remaining (1 contracted + their option to extend for 1 more) they would rather keep the player than risk having to replace him with someone who may or may not work out and so in order to take that risk they'd want €X price for him. If they get that price they'd sell, if not they won't. End of.

Similarly, all clubs (Brentford in this case) will always make an assessment of both the buying clubs motivation to buy this specific player and their ability to pay so if Club W comes calling Brentford might assess that the most that club can afford to pay is €X whereas if club Y come calling the most they can afford to pay is €Z and they may therefore set two very different prices for the same player depending on who the buying club is.

As my old Economics lecturer used to say when we were covering pricing theory "Never charge anyone less than they are willing and able to pay" 😘