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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Why on earth would she want it. Being a leader of the party in the Dáil is a far better position to effect any change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,562 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I wonder, and wouldn't be at all surprised, if Joe Duffy declares for a political party once he retires from LiveLine, much like others in the news-room/current affairs dept. of RTE reveal their affinity with political parties.

    He has kept any overt sympathy for a specific political party under wraps during his career IMO and I only have a hunch/feeling in my water that FF might attract him now even though when I knew him. way back in student days, Labour would have been his more natural home. He and Alex White were buddies/two of a kind then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,085 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    He was just on morning Ireland and didn't say no. And made a comment that he's still officially with rte until Monday which sort of implied he couldn't say anything until then anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,101 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Yep - heard it just now - he was asked twice whether he was running and he dodged the question.

    Didn’t say yes or no.

    He said something about “I won’t be losing the run of myself” but didn’t confirm or deny anything.

    Also said he is still an employee of RTÉ so can’t declare his political affiliations YET…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,436 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Duffy did a fairly crap job at keeping his overt sympathy for a specific political party under wraps. I remember his pleas for callers to not be hard on Bertie when they were calling out his obvious lies at the tribunal. 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,436 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Did you forget about Mairead McGuiness?

    It's hilarious to see you giving the SDs a free pass as left leaning, because they've never had to take hard decisions in coalition governments.

    Joan Burton doesn't really have the common touch for something like this.

    Casey has very little chance of being nominated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,672 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I didn't forget about her at all but I think if Sean Kelly is looking for the nod from FG he will get it ahead of her

    They took a hard decision to stay out of govt if you ask me. Think of all the self gain they could have achieved at the cost of the people if they teamed up with a coalition of FF and FG. I think if they did risk it though that the govt wouldn't last long as they are politically very different

    Joan Burton was never in the running for me

    I don't think casey will be on the ballot either. Unless there's an instruction from SF, FF and FG head offices to abstain from voting (as opposed to voting no) for him at council level. He does fall in line with a lot of what Aontú and other right wingers stand for so that might be another route for him to get on the ballot if he can sway them. Very unlikely he'll get a look in by either though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,562 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Wasn’t an avid listener snd was thinking generally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,436 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Why do you think Kelly will get the nod ahead of McGuinness? She's have far broader appeal, and is far more media savvy.

    Staying out of government is an easy decision. Going into government puts you into the crosshairs of all those people who would never have voted for you in the first place, but just love to take potshots at you. Do you know any such people yourself at all?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Mod: any more trolling nonsense about Labour or the Greens being right wing will result in an instant forum timeout.

    Some posts deleted but most left in place to not break the discussion flow. Infractions also awarded.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,562 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I'd have thought Kelly's stint with the GAA would be a major plus in an election like this. FG could do a lot worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,569 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    They inexplicably went for Gay Mitchell ahead of her in 2011 - so I've always wondered if there's some ill-feeling towards her within elements of the party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,436 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    She had a good stint with RTE targeting the rural audience. Kelly has been completely low profile outside of his own constituency - not exactly statesman material.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,098 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    She might be inclined to tell them to shove it on the basis of what happened in 2011, unless it's an uncontested nomination. Far superior candidate to a guy whose claim to fame is being in the GAA

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,562 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I don't think she was a terribly well known figure when in RTE. It was only after leaving RTE that she became high profile.
    Kelly was high profile having led the GAA and would have a lot of capital among GAA people, a broader appeal maybe that FG would be foolish to ignore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,436 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I got the feeling that he was being brought in so FG can say 'we had a competition' , not as a realisitic contender.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,085 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    A competition for the FG nomination means they won't have a candidate until September (I think is what Simon Harris said), which means that's a shorter campaign period for people to dig into the candidate in too much detail. I do reckon though that both McGuinness and Kelly are viable candidates for different reasons and could see either of them doing well in a national election (not that I'd be voting for either, but still).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,672 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Articles such as this have been doing the rounds the last few days, no smoke without fire

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mep-sean-kelly-is-poised-to-launch-his-bid-for-the-aras-in-novembers-presidential-election/a730032153.html

    Going into government allows you to implement your policies and promises to the electorate. I understand that both the greens and labour were minority influences in their resepective governments, labour approximately 33% and the greens approximately 15-20% but they implemented virtually none of their actual policies and broke most of their promises

    Staying out of government is the right thing to do if you can't get your policies and promises over the line



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,085 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Didn't the greens get carbon taxes sorted? Ban on peat being sold commercially (not that it's being enforced). Wasn't it the greens who pushed for more public transport? Didn't they get the rural bus links in?

    Tell me again about how they broke all of their promises and got none of their policies implemented?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,672 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    There's 2 reasons to have a competition. One is to give a fair chance to anybody interested, the other is to create a bit of hype about the winning candidate.

    Didn't they also cut the carbon tax around the invasion of Ukraine? Peat is still openly sold so that can't be called a success. As for public transport, around where I am, other than the busses being electrified I've seen no real changes, they still don't keep to a timetable for example



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,562 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭rock22


    I thnk Jow might be launching his campaign right now on rte.

    I can definitely see FF being interested



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,562 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Now I'm wondering.
    Would Michaél be that blatant, coming on his radio show to blow smoke?

    Post edited by FrancieBrady on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,436 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Do you think judging that a subjective view of a bus timetable compliance in one area is a fair measure of an entire policy programme? In the same way, do you think dragging up pre-election advertising by Labour is a fair way of assessing their success in government?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Going into government allows you to implement your policies and promises to the electorate. I understand that both the greens and labour were minority influences in their resepective governments, labour approximately 33% and the greens approximately 15-20% but they implemented virtually none of their actual policies and broke most of their promises

    When you enter a coalition, you cannot expect to implement all of your policies - a coalition is a compromise. Either way, nothing to do with a Presidential election!

    Staying out of government is the right thing to do if you can't get your policies and promises over the line

    So unless you get 100% of what you want, a small party should remain in opposition? Pretty pointless approach and again, nothing to do with a Presidential election.

    Didn't they also cut the carbon tax around the invasion of Ukraine? Peat is still openly sold so that can't be called a success.

    Nope - the government made the decision to reduce excise duties on fuel and to provide credits towards electricity bills. Carbon tax remained as it was despite a call by FG to reduce it.

    As for public transport, around where I am, other than the busses being electrified I've seen no real changes, they still don't keep to a timetable for example

    Are you under the belief that the Green party manage the bus timetables?
    Anyhow, the cost to use public transport was brought down directly because of the Greens.

    Either way - your points have nothing to do with the Presidential election which is what this thread is about so back on topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    There's 2 reasons to have a competition. One is to give a fair chance to anybody interested, the other is to create a bit of hype about the winning candidate.

    If FG were to nominate MMcG then I'd vote for her purely based on her performance during Brexit. She is an experienced politician.
    If they opt for Kelly, they won't get my vote at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,624 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    MMcG praise regarding Brexit only reflects the very low bar that was needed to seem reasonable. She had the EU backing Ireland for the most part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,414 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Your claims about none of Labours policies being implemented in 11-16 was picked through and shown to be nonsense last time you tried it. Some highlights being you entirely convinced that the exact opposite of things happened, and then moving on to another topic when this was pointed out.

    Do you want to be shown up as incredibly ill informed again?

    The reality, which you need to accept, is that you do not understand coalition government. In a country where coalition government is inevitable, this is a core failing of political understanding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 828 ✭✭✭steinbock123




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭salmocab




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