Hamas strike on Israel

Pity the folk they ‘elected’ decided to invade Israel and capture and slaughter people.

Does every countries civilians deserve whatever violence happens to them if their "elected" representatives do something bad, or just Muslims Brendan?

For example, if hundreds of thousands men women and children were being butchered in Israel (whose actually elected government are being investigated for genocide and it's leaders wanted for crimes against humanity), would you similarly shrug your shoulders and post something as c*ntish as "pity the folk they elected decided to invade Palestine and capture and slaughter people"?

Id have marginally more respect for you if you would. Although your post would still be sociopathic, at least you wouldn't be a hypocrite in top of it.

Secondly - and I'm asking you to look this up if you would.

When were Hamas elected?

What is the average age of Palestinains killed in this "war"?

Thanks

It shows the power and influence that Israel has over the politics of Europe, Britain and America. Way, way, too much power and influence and always for the worst.

Interesting that you are seeking to justify the Israeli genocide, rather than denying it is happening i.e. "they brought it on themselves".

another grey one

When our politicians (e.g. Michael D) were calling out Israel's atrocities last year, we had posters going bananas and wanting them silenced asap.

Most of that gibberish is the usual right vs left bollocks. There's a number of posters on here who can only see things in those simplistic terms and are willing to die on any hill, no matter how ridiculous they look, just because "their team" is involved. If Israel was run by a left leaning government, they'd be signing a completely different song.

There's no point in even acknowledging people like that, never mind trying have a conversation with them. They aren't here to converse honestly and are only repeating the points that their political masters have laid out for them.

It's one thing to support Israel, but it's an entirely different matter to support what Netanyahu's Israel is doing. You really have to lower yourself to do that.

Make of this what you will…….

Apparently, UAE and Egypt plus two unnamed Arab nations are the four. There definitely seems to be something afoot, several Israeli newspapers have run something similar to the above tweet and talk that Netanyahu and Trump discussed this at length on Monday evening.

Hamas going into exile sounds a weird one (why would they need to? It's where they live and is their home). But Trump and Netanyahu definitely appear to be planning something along these lines, lots of chatter about it.

It doesn't say Hamas exiled, just the leaders. Has happened in loads of places where leaders have to go into exile after wars. Anything has to be better than the current situation also.

I don't see a mention of the West bank, so I'd assume Israel have no intention on ceding any territory there.

Reading a report from the Times of Israel on this initiative I see there's a built in deal on a pardon for Nethanyahu on his corruption charges in Israel after his lawyers attempt on a plea bargain was rejected by the court.

"US President Donald Trump is reportedly pushing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to conclude the 20-month-old war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip following the success of the 12-day war against Iran, several Hebrew media outlets reported Thursday, amid calls in Israel for the same.

The Kan public broadcaster reported that Trump’s demand to cancel Netanyahu’s criminal trial was also linked to this effort".

I agree and do wish "somebody" would do it. However, again it is not like a natural disaster where countries can (if willing to spend the money) just provide aid, or act via the UN, and noone objects. It is a man made situation being engineered by Israel for a purpose (mainly drive out the Gazans and reduce their population, also impose a collective punishment/retribution for Oct. 7th attack), with full support of its ally the US and they both have to be opposed & stood up to to actually help here.

Unfortunately the US/West mostly came up with the idea of international law and liberal interventionism, i.e. that powerful countries, esp. the US would act as "policemen" and would use their strength (not necessarily military) to step in and put a stop to wars and genocides involving weaker ones, where possible.

Countries doing that is right and selfless IMO but it actually does not usually directly benefit them (other than by making the world a better place perhaps?).

The US was hypocritical and inconsistent or self serving at times in trying to enforce international law and supporting the work of the UN and multilateral organisations, but it's far, far worse now and it has now completely turned its back on these ideas, and is just out for itself entirely (and I would worry we may see it openly engaged in its own wars of conquest and genocides in future).

The countries with governments that profess to believe in these ideas (mostly in Europe) are just not powerful enough to actually force them on the rest of the world that doesn't care without sacrificing something in the process and it doesn't look like they will do it for Gaza.