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28 Years Later

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    He looks like Aaron Taylor Jonson and has a bed ridden wife who is emotionally unavailable. Hardly a surprise he's banging other people.

    I actually loved the ending because it was so completely nuts. Fair play. Best cinema experience I've had since I think Arrival.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,334 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    They didn't rescue the islanders because they now know about asymptomatic carriers. The last boy they rescued wiped out Paris.

    And Jodie did tell everyone except the child. She says she hoped they would tell him because she was too scared.

    How Fiennes was finding enough iodine to lather himself in and enough for liberal morphine use really bugged me though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭fplfan12345


    Pure muck in my opinion. An absolute slog. Incredibly boring story.

    Hard to imagine they had over 20 years to jot down ideas for a follow up film and this is the best they could do.

    I was bored from start to finish and only watched to the end because I was with someone else.

    Don’t waste your time or money going to see this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,652 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Didn't infected running down the Channel Tunnel wipe out Paris?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,334 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    From what I remember it only shows them in a metro. But as the kids are taken off to France there is an ominous zoom in the the infected boy so that's what I took from it.

    But they definitely do know about infected asymptomatics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,652 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I saw 28 Weeks 2 weeks ago and it ends with a shot of infected running through the tunnel.

    Anyway, the point about infected asymptomatics is completely true.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,148 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    It’s one thing not wanting to bring people off Britain, but couldn’t they at least air drop loads of weapons so the infected could be mostly killed off.
    Overall I enjoyed it, I thought there may be some paranormal aspect introduced with all the stuff with the birds and the first alpha. I thought the much talked about ending may be something with the infected where they evolve to be a bit more normal, but instead we got The Walking Neds who seem to have a good stock of Persil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,303 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    I always thought it was implied one was clinging to the escape helicopter from the end of 28 Weeks? Channel Tunnel a pretty big oversight with all of NATO patrolling the channel!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,303 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Nah that was a Paris Metro station they came out of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 963 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    They effectively retconned end of 28WL. They said flat out they wanted to make it about Britain being quarantined . I agree the world would isolate Britain and don’t think they’d save anybody , why risk it ?


    In terms of “lots of stupid characters doing lots of stupid things, I think People can and are erratic and unpredictable, particularly in stressful environments. Like when there’s a virus outbreak and people refuse to be careful and many downright stupid, we literally saw that during Covid.

    The doctor not killing the infected did sort seem jarrying at first. But when you reflect back it’s actually a horror cliche for every character to automatically kill every danger by default. I mean again, if we use Covid as an example, the medical professionals still worked in hospitals and surgery’s when we didn’t even know how dangerous Covid was. Not exactly the same perhaps but still fear of death didn’t put them off putting their lives in danger for what they believe in, which was helping people.

    Somebody learning to live and navigate a dangerous environment really isn’t that big a stretch. It does make you think “why would he not kill the infected” but the simple answer isn’t “everybody would”. That’s people projecting their logic and rigid understanding of how people act in horrific situations. People adapt differently, some people even try to retain their humanity in the face of horror.


    Ironically the doctor seems to be relatively content in the environment which is funny cause he’s probably living each day “free” while everybody else in the island is just trying to survive. He could easily be somebody who has learned , like the opposite of a great hunter, to basically avoid , disguise and co-exist with the infected. His life is actually , in many ways, the healthiest way to adapt, accepting the environment and at peace with death.

    There’s a deep philosophical dive you could do on that and compare it to how most people in western democracies “survive” the very same conformed zombie like way while not truly living. And an even deeper dive is on how people who find his actions “unrealistic” versus how truly authentic they live their own lives versus “doing what you’d expect”.

    In terms of the boy wanting to get his mother to the mainland. How is that hard to fathom? He suspects she’s going to die and she seems to be his goto anchor and he thinks (rightly) his dad is already moving on. She is his world and he’s a stronger connection to her over his father and the village way of celebrating rights of passage. Of course he’d do anything to “save her”. I can actually relate on some level to that fear of losing the one person who you feel a connection to.

    His confused mother going with him? Again, not a stretch. The world he’s seen, even the horror of his recent visit to the mainland, why would that stop him fighting to save his mother’s life? No different to refugees fleeing a country on a boat that’s basically tossing a coin they will even survive the trip!

    Even the mother helping with the pregnancy, some people haven’t been round dementia or even people with mental health issues, I’ve seen crazy stuff and don’t see that being an issue. It’s reflective more on what people expect , the rules of engagement in horror movies demand that “people adhere to how I think is appropriate to act”.

    I didn’t love this movie on first watch but have thought an awful lot about it which in itself is a testament to the elements that do make you reflect. Asides from the ending, which is marmite, a lot of the complaints can be explained away . I always think we can forgive a lot in a movie if it’s ticking the right boxes but things that aren’t really that important become issues when the movie isn’t doing it for us.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭head82


    I haven't yet seen this but from reading the above comments, I'm thinking I should probably just wait for it to hit streaming.

    What I'm struggling to reconcile is the generally negative reviews.. both here and elsewhere.. with the predominately very high ratings from so-called expert film reviewers:

    What's going on! 😕



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,652 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Why let other people tell you what to think? Why not just go and see it for yourself?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭ECookie13


    I thought it was good. Why let a few random folk on an internet forum sway you going? The majority of people liked it.

    Also, It won't be on streaming for months as it's a big release. Maybe Halloween or so at the earliest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,334 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I would say it's very much a cinophile or movie industry insider friendly type of film. Kinda like the zombie version of something that does great at Cannes. Hense the big hit with critics.

    There are parts that I merely enjoyed that my actor or cinematography friends would be fawning over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭head82


    Oh I will get to see this at some stage. Irrespective of the wildly conflicting reviews. Just trying to weigh up if it's worth the time, effort and expense on a trip to the cinema for an underwhelming experience or take the lazy option and wait for it to land on my TV.

    I think I'm gonna go with the lazy option 😏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,652 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Up to you of course.

    The reviews seem to be almost universally positive. I wouldn't compare a few negative comments on an internet forum with a slew of highly positive reviews from legitimate critics and Peter Bradshaw.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,334 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Bradshaw was the outlier who only gave it 3/5. I was critical of his ability to rate a zombie movie earlier but his review was actually to most accurate for me in the end.

    Post edited by breezy1985 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,652 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I stopped reading him after his "review" of Spectre was just a lazy summary of the film.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    Covid?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Well worth a trip to the cinema to watch it in my opinion. Can't beat a good horror in the cinema.

    I'm surprised the level of hate it's getting on this thread, seems to be across the board positivity and not only from critics from everywhere else apart from here.

    The screening I was in was basically full, not just a bit busier than usual there was only a couple of spare seats left in the front row and this was on a Tuesday evening.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,334 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    All his reviews are absolutely full of spoilers. I only ever check his star rating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 963 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    As somebody who was desperate to enjoy this and looking forward to it for ages, mu guess is its largely expectations.

    I really expected a tone closer to 28DL , i felt the boots on the ground trailer suggested that (was such a super trailer) and i didnt think the movie delivered what "was promised". I came out of the movie confused as to how i felt about it. But rather then getting angry and raging about all the things i didnt like (which is what alot of people do), i reflected on the movie we got over the one I wanted/expected.

    Yeh Boyle and Garland do like to subvert expectations and they definitely tried to do something different from 28DL, but to be honest I dont think thats what I wanted. I didnt want "a deeper meaning" horror movie, I felt what worked most for the first as moreso the raw, gritty horribly realistic feel of it (even if it did have its own philosophical undertones). A virus thats a mix of rabies and ebola is something we can imagine because these are real virus, thats probably what scared me the most back when it came out.

    28YL has less of a "this could happen" feel for multiple reasons so it feels less connected to what made the original so frightening. Thats not a critcism, more a guess on why it probably was really dissapointing to some and maybe to myself.

    Id say if you go into it expecting nothing specific but want to see a good horror with some deeper emotional undertones and a few quirky/jarring elements, it’s a must see in the cinema. There are a couple of really quality moments, not least a chase scene that is superbly done and Im looking forward to seeing again on the big screen. And I thought they actually had a beautiful story to do with loss , accepting it and dealing with it in a very healthy way. That was really lovely idea.

    At worst, I dont think this is reasonably any lower then a 6/10 as a standalone horror movie that definitely has some really good ideas and some super moments. I can understand the high reviews because it would of been easier for them to give me (and others) what I wanted. But the movie is growing on me the more I think about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    They didn't rescue the islanders because they now know about asymptomatic carriers. The last boy they rescued wiped out Paris.

    If there's so many asymptomatic carriers that they're afraid of a few people on Holy Island, then there's no way that they'd be able to push back against the infection on the continent. It's a very flimsy excuse not to attempt some sort of rescue operation in nearly 30 years. Surely you'd be able to send some sort of team to test the blood of all the people on the island. It would have taken a day at the most. That just doesn't really add up.

    And Jodie did tell everyone except the child. She says she hoped they would tell him because she was too scared.

    Right, but you'd think father of the year would have told the boy no? He brings him off to the mainland to man him up, nearly gets him killed in the process, not once but several times and against the rules of the community, but he can't tell him that his mother may have cancer?

    How Fiennes was finding enough iodine to lather himself in and enough for liberal morphine use really bugged me though.

    That's an annoyance for sure. But surely it would have made more sense to have his character living in some sort of defensible position and not just hanging out in an open field. He wouldn't have lasted 28 minutes there, never mind 28 years.

    There's so many problems with the writing on this picture, I'm beginning to feel like bloody cinema sins on YouTube. 😔

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    No Black horse is correct. The infected get a grip again on Britain because of Robert Carlyle's wife and they get across the channel through the chunnel. His boy is shown to be infected, but immune and a carrier though so who knows what happened after that.

    But they definitely do know about infected asymptomatics.

    In the movie they only just find out about asymptomatic people because Rose Byrne's character discovers it. Seems it's a complete unknown before that. Also, there can't be too many of them because they would never have been able to control Britain for so long after the infected starved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    People being "erratic and unpredictable" is an extremely weak excuse for characters doing stupid things to drive a plot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Normally I'm a go see it in the cinema type. But if I knew before hand what I know now I'd have happily waited to watch it on the tele and saved myself the 28 euro. But just because I and others didn't enjoy it for various reasons, that doesn't mean you should listen to us. If you have the money to risk on it, and going to the cinema is expensive these days, then go and see it and make your own mind up.

    To me the film has an awful lot of fundamental issues that I couldn't let go and I can often let stuff go, especial in genre pictures. But with this, its problems just kept niggling away at me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 963 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    You not liking or relating to character decisions or motives doesn’t make it “weak” storytelling. I can’t relate to alot of your gripes.

    I don’t understand why you think the rest of the world would try to save people from the island. Virus can mutate and evolve , why would they risk it getting out ?

    I can absolutely understand a father being excited about sharing a now cultural right of passage moment with his son (albeit crazy dangerous) and at the same time why he wouldn’t want to be the bearer of tragic news on the boys mother.

    He’s entirely irresponsible, as even other villagers thought his son was a little young to be going out. I think that fits in with a character who wouldn’t be responsible (or emotionally mature) enough to prepare a child for the loss of a parent. There’s so many layers you could unpack with that , that isn’t simply “fathers actions don’t make sense here”.

    It also makes sense why a child wouldn’t want to be left alone with that person being their primary caregiver.

    The “driving back from mainland thing” isn’t important to the story or the trilogy. It’s been said all along it’s gonna be just UK, why do you need to have specifics on why it’s not in Europe ? If they said something like the world agreed on some sort of (nuclear?) purging of hundreds of millions that left mainland Europe a wasteland but prevented the infection spreading further , I don’t see how that would change anything.

    They didn’t want to be boxed in by 28WL, so I don’t have a problem with them being loose with the narrative to suit the story they wanted to tell in this instance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I'm not griping, so you can park that nonsense for a start. I just can't overlook the issues that the film has and they are demonstrable problems.

    If you like '28 Years Later', then good for you. Not everybody is going the like the same things. But there's no need for you to come on and white knight for a movie if someone doesn't share the same opinion of it.

    You don't understand the issues I have with the characters and their actions, but guess what, you don't have to. But too many times I was put off by what I saw them doing in the story. A story which I found to be quite weak with characters that did things that ranged from the dangerously idiotic to outright ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,652 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I find the Brexit analogy quite amusing. The film released almost 9 years after the fact and depicts Britain isolated from its European allies and partners. Within Britain, you've a tiny island cut off from the mainland with a community desperately clinging to its shibboleths.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There was a "small boat" analogy too. The French were patrolling their waters to make sure that nobody from Britain could cross by sea.



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