Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

It's off the wall how Israel acquired their nuclear weapons illegally, including nuclear materials from a fellow rogue state Argentina, still denies it has them, whilst claiming to be the only sane and responsible adult in the room and surrounded by madmen.

Israel has to do it that way because under US law all aid and weapons to Israel would be illegal due to their nuclear proliferation activity. All political support would not be allowed and they would end up like North Korea and have no means to go around bombing and killing everyone and causing general chaos.

The UN have tries for decades to comply with UN resolutions but a certain country keeps vetoing it and nothing happens. Doing it this way just gives them a free reign to do whatever they want without consequences.

Tbh blanch - I have seen your posts for months. Nobody can know what is in someone's head or heart, but I have to say I hold the same view about your posts as that poster.

Anybody who would bother spending their time posting dozens and dozens of posts justifying or trying to obfuscate mass warcrimes against Palestinians, and then start the same craic to tacitly justify the bombing of Iranians has not a modicum of compassion for them.

I remember in response to all the women and children being killed in Gaza - without a shred of evidence - question whether they could actually be Hamas female/ child soldiers. That was of after (despite hundreds of Palestinains being massacred every week) telling us umpteen times how bad they treat their gay people and women, whilst putting no credence on the fact that their women were enmasse being blown up/ starved/ denied basic shelter and healthcare by the IDF.

I don't mean to highlight the Gaza thread, but simply showing a pattern as it is relevant - you are at the same craic in this thread telling us how Iranians mistreat their women, again, without acknowledging the bombs being dropped on them, man woman and child, from above.

Every country and religion has huge issues, Palestinians and Iranians no different - but I don't think when civilians in those groups are being decimated is a good time to bring them up, when giving the people carrying out the decimation a free pass. This is text book demonization and othering.

If you don't want accusations you don't like maybe revisit what your have written and change your tact going forward.

There’s been much fixation on Fordow. But I have to wonder how much of the critical components of their enrichment programme were even at this location. They may have transferred key elements of it long before the last few weeks.

Other countries are not enriching 12x above the amount needed for civilian power right under the noses of inspectors who noted this weapons grade enrichment in both scale and magnitude on multiple occasions

There is still zero reasons for them to have done so

Iran enriched to 60% in response to (yet another) Israeli sabotage attack and after the US unilaterally withdrew from the agreement reached under Obama. Iran informed the IAEA of its intention to enrich to 60%. How do you think we know they have 60% enriched uranium? What do you mean by “under the noses of inspectors”? It’s because the IAEA inspectors were informed by Iran.

The main thing about Fordow is Israel couldn't get at it, the complex is out of action the entrances are caved in. If Iran moved things elsewhere then they're more exposed or they're buried if still intact under that mountain.

With how much mossad infiltrated them if they started elsewhere to make up the whatever time they've lost or tired to excavate the bunker then they'll be a lot easier to hit now.

A useful bargaining chip for negotiations which were suspended due to the sneak Israeli attack.

If the shoe fits, Blanch. Report me if you will, but I absolutely won't retract my statement. I could be mistaken and it may be that you're just willing to defend absolutely anything that Israel do and it is just a coincidence that they're targeting Muslims, but I've read enough of you condemning them for things that you give Israel an absolute free pass for that it's one of the two.

The Iranian regime is monstrous, but Israel's lack of concern for collateral damage means those, "really nice" people you know so well are dying. We've had enough exchanges that I'm fully aware of your lack of concern for innocent civilians killed as long as it is done by, "legitimate state forces" though.

There was something really rotten the last couple of days about the NATO summit, rather ironically held in the Hague where a number of their members arguably should be. Rutte is a clown but an odious one at that - defending the illegal bombing of Iran by the US, then sucking up to his 'Daddy' Trump today - Rutte is the 'leader' of a self described peace organisation - it was a pathetic spectacle. Even worse against the backdrop that Trump was likely lying about the actual impact of the bombing. Zelensky too 'congratulating' Trump on the bombing in Iran.

It was as odd as hell.....but that's what happens when you have the Donald as the "leader of the free world: his press conference at the end careered from car crash to undignified, to pathetic, to senile to somewhat unhinged, to even entertaining at times.....

Two days since the end of the 12 day war another 3 military commanders have made a miraculous recovery from death. Add to that the images of rocket launchers posted by the IDF being blown which many of them just were duplicate footage of successful strikes it seems the mistruths are coming to light.

Israel uses a doctrine of nuclear ambiguity. Everyone knows they have nukes but details are harder to come by unlike e.g. France whereby it's nuclear arsenal is more known about.

Israel is surrounded by adversaries and there have been multiple attempts to attack it, from their perspective it made sense to rush to get nuclear weapons.

In general they would be more "trusted" with nuclear weapons than e.g. the current regime in Iran. Likewise France would be considered more trustworthy than Putin in that regard.

It's not "fair" but that's the order in the world. We'll likely see Israel now rush to develop deeper bunker buster bombs or co-develop the current program with the US (they need to go deeper than the GBU 57 it seems)

Last year I predicted that this conflict with Iran would happen (although sooner than I thought) - they will never allow Iran to develop nuclear weapons or similar. This happened with the strikes on Syria in the past and the Osirak reactor in Iraq.

Everyone knows the rules down there. Over decades multiple countries have stopped their attacks on Israel, or become neutral or gradually come onside - so it can be argued that Israel's aggressive doctrine works to a degree.

Iran is the major outlier and remains to be seen what they do next.

You mean an apartheid state that has attacked 5 of it's neighbours in the last 2 months, illegally bombed an embassy, assassinated it's counterparts 3 times during negotiations, carried out an unprovoked illegal full scale attack on another country during a religious holiday, attacked nuclear facilities 9 times in a week, led by a leader who is wanted by the ICC who is the very same leader that is carrying out a live streamed genocide and is imposing starvation on 2 million people is trustworthy ?

Also, he made sure that the NATO communique made no criticism of Russia and barely anything was said about the Russian - Ukrainian war. The way they are pandering to him is embarrassing.