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Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,235 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Total obliteration. Trump and his silly use of words not needed. It was a very terrible situation!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Trump is very much on the back foot. Calling CNN and others "scum" to their faces over the obliteration thing is most unbecoming and shows he is seriously rattled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,332 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Seemed to me that they were using the threat of obtaining nuclear weapons (which they are morally entitled to do) as a threat to back up their aims.

    I see no easy (or not so easy answer to the problem) since their position is not being ackowledged as valid and yet cannot be prevented.

    It seems this is a question of delaying the inevitable unless there is an authority in Iran that agrees to play by its enemies" rules for the sake of pragmatism and that this "concession" is rewarded.

    I suspect that the only plan going the rounds now is to kick the ball into touch and hope that by the time Iran has achieved a military nuclear ability that the situation may have somehow become more manageable.

    Of course things may well have actually deteriorated further by then...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,332 ✭✭✭amandstu


    It seems the US administration is seeking more ways to degrade itself in the eyes of the world.

    Its opacity is transparent.(it is rotten from the head down)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,623 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    A threat of obtaining nuclear weapons is a breach of international law on nuclear non-proliferation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    But can they just say "we are not signing up to this international law", like the US and Israel don't sign up to the ICC?

    I would not like to see any countries with nuclear weapons, I would not like to see Iran with a nuclear weapon but put yourself in Iran shoes. They were attacked. This would not have happened if they had a nuclear deterrent. They tried the diplomatic route but Trump dumped that in 2018 and then attacked them while they were negotiating. Israel targeted their negotiators.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,332 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I didn't know that but the threat is implied and not explicit.

    The regime has always denied that it has aims to build a bomb but everyone knows that they are in practice working towards either that end or otherwise to the position of being feared that they could do that.

    (Such "illegality" is the least of the things wrong with that regime ,even if they do not hold the monopoly of wretched characteristics in the region or beyond

    We seem to have walked into a world order based on the flouting of rules and decent behaviour generally)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,623 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I believe that Iran were always working towards a nuclear weapon, even when they were in diplomatic negotiations.

    Why else did they have Russian scientists at their enrichment plant?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Iran should come out and say all the facilities were destroyed biggly. The biggest destruction they have ever seen by the bestest bombs ever etc.... just start massaging his ego so it makes it even harder for Trump to backtrack it new Intel convinces him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    Maybe, and in hindsight they are probably thinking they should have done it sooner

    Israel also has Nukes (not sure if in breach Ionon prolifration) and is shown to be OK with first strikes with limited care for non Israeli casualties in all its actions to the point its leaders are wanted on war crimes charges.

    I don't want Iran to have nukes but I can't blame them for wanting them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,955 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Trump does his politics via Twitter and other social media. As such he had no patience to wait for the intel reports on the bombing which wouldn't have taken very long. But no, he needed instant gratification so he called it a roaring success and pushed the ceasefire through without waiting for the results. The Iranians were delighted I bet and it will be very difficult for Trump to resume bombing. He is such a clown.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    The problem is that he seems to be waiting on intel reports from Israel, whose credibility in this matter can be legitimately challenged. I expect the the Iranian regime will continue to tease that they may be close to building a bomb and continue to support proxies fighting Israel. So not much has changed after this conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭circadian


    I think the US and Israel have shown that the ICC, Non Proliferation Treaties and other international laws are no longer relevant considering they do as they please while expecting everyone else to adhere to them.

    The multipolar world is upon us and it will take a significant amount of diplomacy and dialogue to rebuild trust around the world. The United States is at the end of its hegemony and I suspect a tighter relationship between Europe and China unless the Americans can right their ship quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭halkar


    Does that law apply to Israel? With Israel's logic Iran or any other nation can bomb Israel's nuclear sites too stating Israel is building nukes, wmds etc with no proof.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Indeed, what happens if another Middle Eastern nation decides that Israel's nuclear weapons are 'a threat to our national security'? If there is no such thing as international law (copyright: Zionists and Trump), presumably such an attack on Israel would be absolutely fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,623 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    One of the differences is that Israel never made promises not to develop a nuclear weapon, but that Iran did make such promises, and has been breaking them.

    However, the most interesting part of this discussion is the way that Iran (a dangerous rogue oppressive state) are being given a pass on breaking international law in the way that Israel have not been.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    In a way that Israel have not been? Last I checked, the Yanks just bombed the hell out of Iran for working towards something Israel have had for years. If anyone has been given a free pass, it is clearly the ones who actually have nuclear weapons and didn't get bombed by a world superpower for trying to do so?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,623 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Didn't know the Yanks were posting on here.

    Do you think the excuse that someone else has a nuclear weapon is enough justification to build one. Sure, shouldn't we get one as a deterrent too? Just in case the Brits want Donegal as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Multi polar world and might makes right world likes of Iran wanted

    Init?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    The discussion on here seems fairly polarised, with plenty of posters like yourself willing to turn a blind eye to absolutely anything Israel does so long as it targets Muslims, so if you're purely talking about the dialogue on this thread, I'm not seeing the supposed, 'free pass' Iran are getting either. The very same charge could be put towards you and giving Israel a free pass for much you're willing to criticise Iran for. I'd see taking either of those sides as pretty dumb to be fair.

    I don't think anyone should have them at all.....but I sure as sh*t wouldn't take hypocritical lectures from, 'the Brits' while they're sitting on 200-odd themselves if we decided to do so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The way that Israel possesses nuclear weapons would be akin to you having a gun or Semtex hidden under your bed i.e. acquired illegally and flatly denying they are even in possession of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭brickster69


    All UN sanctions lapse on Iran the October 18th. Very difficult to reimpose them before that using the snapback mechanism due to time and the fact Trump has obliterated Iran's means to make a bomb now.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Israel confirms Trumps obliteration of Iran's facilities which has set back the Mullahs regime years. Imagine doubting Trumps honesty on this.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭thatsdaft




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    im flabbergasted. Israel aren't given free passes when they break international law??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,161 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    The Israelis stole the material to make their first nukes from the US, so they are getting a huge free pass. JFK was investigating Dimona where they allegedly built them before he was killed, he was the last president who ever stood up to Israel and tried to get them back in line too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    Not only that but Israel threaten that they will use nuclear weapons on various population centres in the event of them possibly losing a conventional war. Insane



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,623 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Wait there, that is a fairly serious accusation, that I am happy "as long as it targets Muslims". That simply isn't true and could be read that you are accusing me of sectarianism or racism. Take it back.

    I have been to Iran, I said in a previous post that I found the Iranian people to be really nice but that their regime subjugates and oppresses them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Does that ever really work out? Getting bombed the way Israel did it, and seeing what was done to Iraq and Afghanistan would tend to make people wary of similar attempts at freedom.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    I think a legitimate question to ask after the last few years of Israel's actions is does any of it make the country safer. I would argue that it's been bad for Israel and all of this was badly mishandled by a man who is saving his own skin.

    You can support a country and its people but criticise the paths taken. It doesn't seem to me that supporters of Israel want to confront this because they're the same as MAGA-heads and Brexiteers and the like.

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