Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

Trump seems genuinely angry with Netanyahu and the Israelis, even more so than with Iran:

"He says he believes Iran is still dedicated to peace: “I do. They violated, but Israel violated it too.”

“Israel, as soon as we made the deal, they came out and they dropped a load of bombs the likes of which I’ve never seen before,” says Trump.

“I’m not happy with Israel,” he continues. “You know, when I say you have 12 hours, you don’t just go in the first hours and say you’re going to drop everything you have on them.”

“So I’m not happy with them. I’m not happy with Iran either. But I’m really unhappy if Israel’s going out there this morning, because of one rocket that didn’t land, that was shot, perhaps by mistake, that didn’t land. I’m not happy about that.”

If below is true then Israel just publicly defied Trump

Iran’s judiciary news outlet Mizan and the Shargh newspaper are both reporting that two explosions have been heard in the Iranian capital, Tehran.

It's another game of chicken. But this time it's who's going to ignore being bombed first to try and give the ceasefire a chance.

This post should be pinned and featured in the opening post. How people don't have to sense to see it for what it is. No Irish man should be cheering either side.

“Who the **** does he think he is? Who’s the **** superpower here?”

— Bill Clinton, reportedly said in frustration about Netanyahu during the 1990s peace process.

Are you trying to say all protests are held by extremists? What they did was a crime but then as we see not all crimes are punishable. With this in mind where are the charges against dual citizens of the UK who uploaded images of potential war crimes in Gaza to their social media. Where is the investigation into what precisely the British military shared with the IDF regarding the surveillance flights over Gaza. Also what are British Civil servants doing meeting senior IDF officials, who may have commited war crimes in London. This could all be interpreted as assisting a state accused of committing war crimes. Will we see an investigation into any of these matters?

Whatabout whatabout others who haven't broken any British laws? Is that really the best response you can come up with?

A violent protest group criminally damaged a military installation and have correctly fallen into the category of terrorists as a result. Actions have consequences, but it is mad that some people seem to think that their actions should be free of consequences.

Under British law, it is terrorism, in fact, under the law of most countries, it is terrorism.

If it had happened in Iran, they would be executed as spies. If it had happened in Gaza, they would have been dragged out on the street and shot in the dirt by Hamas militia.

They were lucky it was the UK.

Given the Fairford 5 & the B52 2 cases.

UK courts would seem to make clear that where Courts take a view of the actions of anti-war protesters in the context of the obligations of International law. Particularly with regards to war of aggression and legality of war.

That an acquittal would be the likely outcome given the precedent set by the final appeals in adjudging opposition to an illegal war being an excusing factor.

Indeed it will be interesting to see what actions the UK DPP takes in prosecuting this case should anyone be charged, as the danger of having the courts make a finding on the legality of the Israeli war in Palestine and by extension UK support for it? Won't bode well for any hope of conviction.

I wonder if Palestine action might seek help from a barrister who helped defend the Fairford 5? Though I have heard he's since gone on to other things.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/20/starmer-defended-protester-who-sabotaged-military-aircraft/

Should anyone be interested in the judgement of the appeals court? It's available here https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200506/ldjudgmt/jd060329/jones-1.htm

If they had sprayed paint on planes belonging to the Gaza airforce on a military base in Gaza Blanch? What a great point.

I come into to this thread for a gander and I'm reading about Suffragettes.

This must be the greatest whataboutery ever posted on boards dot ie.

It’s because the suffragettes were only seeking rights for wealthy white Christian women not poor, brown, Muslim ones.

Well then,

If they werent making nukes before hand. They certainly are now.

Yep, NPT is effectively dead IMHO. No nation that has that dangerous combination of extra territorial ambition, paranoia regarding their territorial integrity and/or notions of military power will seek to move to the big stick ASAP.

One thing that I've not seen mentioned by anyone apart from Trump? Is Medvedev's tweet regarding other nations being to willing provide Iran warheads.

I don't put much store in warheads being transferred but, last year when Iran started shipping Shaheds & Ballistic Missiles to Russia? I did posit that the likely payment for that hardware was going to be technical. Be that solid fuel chemistry, missile design or the vital design expertise of the implosion and explosive lenses for a viable nuke.

The obvious trades were going to be the Su35s and SAMs but Iran seem quite happy to pirate those and have a big industrial base. The warhead & missile expertise available from Russia is far more valuable to them IMHO.

Another aspect that I've not seen much discussion on is the fact that Iran now has direct rail link to China (Via Pakistan & Chinese Kashmir). Should Iran turn fully to China? They have a fairly secure supply route for imports and should they manage to build a pipeline to a Pakistani port? Their energy exports to China become far simpler.

Uranium only warheads still present a serious issue for Iran in that unless they build huge missiles? They are very unlikely to be able to mount them to a missile in the medium term. Size/weight is against them. However? If they manage to find a pathway to Plutonium?

They have near immediate ability to mount them on current 2 stage missiles.

Iran, outside of IAEA and focused on 2 things, reinforcing the regimes survival and buttressing itself against the possibility any repeat of the last 12 days will be a nightmare to deal with.

Israel & the US have created a proliferation nightmare.