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Unsolved Irish Mysteries.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    That is interesting, if correct. If they were questioned under caution I suspect something about their behaviour or actions was causing legitimate grounds for suspicion.

    I also wonder if claims in the 'local community' of 'heavy gang' treatment have been exaggerated in relation to this case. 'Heavy gang' treatment to me implies beating a confession out of a suspect. Which I condemn, not least because it has led to false confessions. Being grilled in a cop-shop is no doubt not a pleasant experience, but is not 'heavy gang' treatment.

    We have seen claims from some posters that the AGS messed up the case in the early months/years due to not concentrating sufficiently on Annie's social circle. Now we have a poster asserting that they were too heavy handed on the same social circle! AGS can't win, it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭NoeldeBournaix


    It's Mick Rooneys channel, he is an investigative journalist, not sure about Brian Goggins. Ill be having a look at some of his other missing persons podcasts. If you want to know more about Mick:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭NoeldeBournaix


    A few other interesting things from 'Missing, Presumed', by retired garda Alan Bailey.

    Annie stayed with Hilary and Rita for a little while when she arrived back in Ireland in 93.

    Annie bought a car and it was parked up in Clondalkin as she was still getting used to driving a manual transmission.

    Hilary and Rita picked Nancy up at the airport after Annie went missing, and then drove to Irishtown Garda station to report Annie missing.

    https://www.everand.com/read/641537174/Missing-Presumed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 padraig1963


    Have we any idea where Hilary and Rita were living at that point in time?. Was it Monastery Walk if Annies unused-as-of-yet car was parked there?. Was PB not living there also at the time?Though Hilary says in his interview with the newspaper yesterday that he didn't see his brother on a regular basis that" his life and my life did not cross over"

    I think I read elsewhere it was John McCarrick, Annies father who bought the car for her. Maybe that was one of the cars he was referring to in 1998 in the Tribune when he complained that the guards didn't examine the cars of two suspects forensically. He said one rented, one borrowed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    It sounds to me that he never actually provided a full alibi as such, just perhaps told the gardai that the brother was in a hotel, not necessarily that he was with him. Or alternatively once they probed whatever statement he made, probably years ago, they realised he only covered a portion of the time, hence the term "fresh evidence".

    Either way the following statement:

    He insisted to us that he has a “watertight alibi” regarding himself - and that his brother also has nothing to do with Annie’s disappearance.

    also would indicate the brother doesn't have an alibi at all, which would be more realistic imo given everything we've seen. No alibi, but no evidence either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    You'd wonder has the younger brother now a suspect been only a recent in depth investigation from 2022/2023 when they revisited this case.... He maybe was never interviewed or needed a alibi at that time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    He was a suspect from day one, I’d say,

    From the brother;

    “Bear in mind he’s been a suspect for 32 years - which is fine.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭NoeldeBournaix


    I don't think it's publicly known where the brothers were living at the time, am thinking Hilary and Rita probably had their own place as it's said Annie stayed with them, rather than stayed with them in Clondalkin, but who knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    Maybe it was Hilary and Rita that rented the family home in clondalkin....it had been mentioned here before the 2 brothers rented the family home... also Hilary's brother could also have lived there with them paying rent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    "….the man said he did not see his brother often -during the time that Annie disappeared. “God no I wasn’t seeing him on a regular basis then. Sorry I beg your pardon, that doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t have seen him on a regular basis, but it would not be - I could go months without seeing him. His life and my life did not cross over,” he said."

    To me that doesn't sound like they lived in the same house.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭I told ya


    This article seems a bit confusing to me.

    I understood that the first and only arrest in this case was c. 2 weeks ago - Co. Meath based businessman.

    The article, to me, gives the impression that there were 2 arrests. Or am I reading it wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭LunaLoo


    Was the house in clondalkin not occupied by the parents/mother up until she passed. From the listing it looks like a home that an elderly person lived in, not a young couple.

    Did Annie rent a room from the family when she first moved to Dublin and studied? A lot of student digs type would usually be a room in a house that had a lot of children and some had moved out, so maybe thats how she got to know the brothers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭csirl


    House was the parents house. Was sold shortly after the mother passed away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 padraig1963


    The mothers death notice said "after a long illness.." so she might have been in a nursing home for a long time, possibly even before Annie went missing. Any Monastery Walk neighbours on this thread to confirm?

    Current reports say the dig is concentrated on the side area between the front and back gardens. This looks like it was originally a covered over garage/ utility space. Funnily it wasn't photographed for the 2010 sale of the house thats up online but you can get a better idea of the layout from the pictures online of the sale of a neighbours house a few doors down. Don't know anything much about the suspect but he sounds more white collar than blue. Was he really the sort to dig through and then refill concrete? Maybe there was a contractor on site around that time doing work for him, who knows. I think they can forensically date concrete which you'd like to think they did before a major excavation like this to see if there was ground works circa 1993 but maybe thats not available in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭csirl


    Mother was living in house when AMcC stayed there and for many years afterwards.

    The out buildings/extension currently being removed are from the more recent renovations by the current owners.

    No digging being done in the front garden - being used to stage equipment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 padraig1963


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    Didn't say the front garden. The side space between front and back garden as in the neighbours photos attached. This area might not have been radically dug since the new owners came and did major overbuild on the patio area. You'd like to think that patio area is ruled out in that anything buried there would have been uncovered by the foundation and subfloor works the new owners contractors undertook.

    Not confident they'll find anything here. Ah well, on to his next property.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    More than likely someone of the family was staying with her in 1993



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    "Mother was living in house when AMcC stayed there and for many years afterwards."

    When did Annie stay in Monastery walk, and was mother living there in March 1993, do you know?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭csirl


    AMcC lodged with the family during her first stint in Ireland - thats how they know each other.

    I believe so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭New Scottman


    search over

    Nothing found



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Really? Which report says nothing found?

    “The search at the home concluded this afternoon and results will not be released for "operational purposes".

    Edit,

    "Nothing of evidential value found" according to RTE 6pm news

    Post edited by chooseusername on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    They bought a demolition company yesterday on site... you'd be thinking another week at least.... finished very abruptly today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,426 ✭✭✭✭sligeach




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Exactly what I said would be the outcome.

    They went in and trashed that house and got nothing. Did they have anything to suggest they'd find something other than the suspect lived there at the time? I'd bet it was nothing more than a hunch.

    The guards bungled this one badly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭bike2wkr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Yes they did. The time to put pressure on her associates was 30 years ago to get alibis to crack as was the time to do digs.

    From the reports it looks like all they got was a partially withdrawn alibi. It appears that they didn't have any link to the searched property other than the suspect lived there.

    All the guards have achieved here is a several hundred thousand euro repair bill for the taxpayer (if they pay it) and untold amounts of distress for the family living there.

    So no I don't think it good enough to conduct such invasive searches on what were clearly weak grounds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    Did they get a positive hit from the dog before they started the search?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    "From the reports it looks like all they got was a partially withdrawn alibi."

    What reports?



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