Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I don't know about that but I do know that Arabs that are in Israel aren't allowed to have bomb shelters. Supposedly they have to share what the Jews have, but that doesn't happen.

"As for killings how many were Hamas fighters" I suppose you're referring to the slaughter happening when people are completely vulnerable going for food aid and the IDF machine gun them down? Blaming that on Hamas is credible for you when Israel is in the middle of a genocide?

Firstly I'm not on the ground and neither are you. So we can only take the reports we see. We see different reports based on our individual biases.

Have the stolen All the food aid? I don't know they stole it all and you don't know the stole none. Video evidence Ive seen shows convoys being robbed and food meant for the people being sold in markets but if your not looking for that, you won't see it. Google is great that way

What we do know is that millions of dollars sent to Gaza to help the people when in building tunnels and acquiring munitions. Why wasn't it spent on the people it was supposed to be spent on. Gaza could have prospered will all the money that went it's way. Instead it became a hotbed for construction and procurement. If they'd rob Millions to fund their hate campaign, it's not beyond a reasonable conclusion to say they wouldn't hesitate with regards food and medicine. They have to feed their "staff" somehow.

As for running away , I don't have time to be answering every question everyone asks on boards.

My opinion isn't going to change what's happening. I don't see myself as certain idiots in the news recently who thought they could influence a decision in another part of the world.

I answered both. If you don't like the answer that's your problem and not mine

Isis linked gangs are known to loot aid and then sell it on the black market. Bibi admitted to funding these gangs in order to weaken Hamas. So blaming Hamas for routinely looting aid would be one way to try and achieve that aim.

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20250622-israel-iran-war-day-10-us-has-struck-three-iranian-nuclear-sites-usa-bombing

Will Iran be stupid enough to do this? Multiple countries use this straight who've not attacked them. Will they really attack civilian vessels? I'd imagine there will be a lot of push back from the communist regime in China as they're quite reliant on oil/gas from here.

This scenario maybe true, but I do have to question the logic of it (as I have done with many of your posts where you seem to base your world view purely around narratives which make little sense when applied to the real world).

What we do know is Gaza has been bombed to rubble. Almost 2 million people have been displaced, made destitute and forced to move to place after place due to incessant bombing. Their homes and belongings have been mostly destroyed. Do you agree?

Who exactly are Hamas supposed to be selling this food to in this scenario?

And how are the people paying for it? Do you expect us to believe they are all going around with pockets stuffed with cash or hauling around the family silver?

Also - for you to push this narrative as a reason for the blockade of aid - you completely ignore senior politicians in Israeli government commenting on how they are starving Gazans.

It is well known that Hamas stole aid - how much is not known. Though the agencies who used to deliver it said "a very small percentage"

Aid has also been stolen by criminal gangs - gangs that are financed/equipped by Israel and protected by the IDF.

Settlers and protesters have burned out Sid vehicles at border crossings and have also prevented it getting into Gaza.

Of course, Israel prevented any aid getting into Gaza for 3 months.

Starvation tactics and a War Crime/Genocide.

It's good that you have an opinion - it's a shame it's an uniformed one.

That is backed up by a dataset hosted by Harvard which shows that the population of the strip is 1.85 million. Horrific figures and backs up holocaust tag

I wouldn't necessarily agree with some of their actions, but proscribing them as 'a terror group' or 'terrorists' seems crazily over the top. They have clearly stated their aim is to disrupt the UK aiding the Israeli war effort, but with the emphasis on nobody getting injured in any way during their protests. They are probably the modern day equivalent of CND or whatever from the 1960s and 70s.

Iran sell directly to China so they would probably wave their own ships through

Will they wave all the ships from Saudi/quarter etc going to China? I think China warned them today regarding this.

Qatar have now closed their air space so something might be about to happen.

US base attacked, Qatar say all missiles we're destroyed, US is now at war with Iran....oh and Trump threatening Putin is the icing on the cake for today's news

Thanks for posting that - grim reading indeed.

I recall posting the Lancet report last year suggesting the estimated number of dead in Gaza was around 200,000. Does anyone remember that report being dismissed and excoriated here? I do.

That the estimated number is nearly double that is hardly surprising given the Israeli campaign nearly a year later. It probably accounts for at least some of the starvation plus those who have died from injuries some time later and diseases etc. because of a lack of medical facilities.

With nearly 15% of the population exterminated so far, I wouldn't be surprised if that number is doubled by the end of the year. And the ICJ finding will be a certainty.

An abhorrent stain on Israel for evermore.

But surely the argument by many sceptics was that they were overestimating the numbers?

The hamas health ministry have a methodology for identifying the dead. It's been posted here many times, and is generally accepted as a robust system in prior wars (has historically been within single digit %'s of UN estimates, and was even accepted by Israel).

It is impossible to know numbers killed for sure using this methodology when most hospitals are out of commission, Gaza is so difficult to traverse, tens of thousands may be buried under rubble, there isn't independent reporting of atrocities when journalists are restricted entry and record events, and of course that the ministry is operating under conditions of a genocidal siege.

If their system is as robust as many international bodies claim it to be (including Israel in prior conflicts), then it could only ever be reported too low.

Seems some Israelis believe October 7th saved Israel. Others obviously disagree.

• The chairman of the Israeli ultra-Orthodox Shas party Arye Dery, a close associate of Netanyahu, told the far-right Channel 14 that Hamas' October 7 attack "saved the people of Israel" because it laid the way to Israel's decapitation of Iranian proxies and the attack on Iran itself. "Without October 7, without Trump, and without Netanyahu, we couldn't have done it," he said.
  
• In response to Dery, the October Council, an organization that calls for a state commission of inquiry into the events of October 7 and includes around 1,500 relatives of its victims, said "the attempt to forget, whitewash, or rewrite history and create an alternative narrative spits in the face of the bereaved families, the hostages and the survivors."