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Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭pureza


    Clearly you haven’t seen the movie

    1. I was using a play on the Jerry maguire movie phrase ,just replace money with nukes
    2. You’re not accepting my answer,that’s your prerogative


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,619 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Umm … Germany was not a democracy after 1933. As for democracies and nuclear weapons, the only democracy in history ever to surrender their nuclear weapons was - wait for it - Ukraine.

    [sarcasm]That was such a success, I'm sure it makes perfect sense for other democracies to follow suit. 🙃[/sarcasm]

    https://u24.gov.ua/
    Join NAFO today:

    Help us in helping Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭circadian


    You do realise the U.S is swinging to the right? While the government may not be hanging anyone from the LGBTQ community the administration is clearly dismantling any safeguards they have. I would not be surprised to see some violent act against them get brushed aside in some of the more red states with tacit support from the Whitehouse.

    The US isn't as free as they want you to think.

    Post edited by circadian on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭pureza


    That’s an example of a country wanting to do that,Ukraine is probably another if you believe they weren’t coerced

    It would be interesting to see where they’d be today if they kept them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,279 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Make your mind up, you said "You can neither uninvent nuclear weapons or unproliferate them"

    You've been given a prima facie example of unproliferation, a path chosen by the political leadership of Apartheid South Africa before heading into democratic elections.
    So clearly, your point that unproliferation isnt possible?
    Is demonstrably incorrect.

    I specifically didnt use Ukraine as an example for 2 reasons, 1st of all they were coerced into their choice. Both via Western aid and Russian gas. 2nd, whilst they possessed the warheads and even means of delivery, they did not have access to the PAL and would have needed to bypass the installed safeguards to initiate detonation.

    So why is it ok for a nation that previously assisted others gain nuclear weapons illicitly and has even offered warheads to sale to Apartheid era South Africa, aswell as discussing same with pre-revolution Iran, to possess nuclear weapons and to do so outside the framework of the IAEA and the NPT?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    You obviously don't know what you're talking about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭combat14


    Trump muses tonight about regime change.. ... with new term "MIGA"

    ‘MIGA’: Trump appears to call for regime change in Iran

    In a post on his Truth Social account, Trump said “it’s not politically correct to use the term, ‘Regime Change,’ but if the current Iranian Regime is unable to MAKE IRAN GREAT AGAIN, why wouldn’t there be a Regime change???”

    “MIGA!!!” he added, appearing to refer to Make Iran Great Again, a play on his Make America Great Again (MAGA) slogan.

    The post signifies a shift for the Trump administration, with the White House repeatedly claiming that the US is not seeking to overthrow Iran’s government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,415 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,415 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    1. I know the film Jerry Maguire and your post is nothing like it
    2. You can offer any response you want but if it does not answer the question then it does not answer the question full stop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭thereiver


    We should not assume all Iranians are religious fanatics or hate Israel nor should we assume that every jew supports the genocide of the IDF army in Gaza there are extremists on both sides Trump destroyed the nuclear bunkers in Iran because he knows Israel is quicky running out of missiles and bombs so this war is going to have to come to an end soon as Israel will be unable to defend civilians against missiles from Iran .Even Biden was supplying Israel with bombs and missiles



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,279 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Sweet mother of fúcking Christ!!!
    No doubt the putrid orange clown is already thinking of the merch opportunities…
    MIGA! On Agals, Keffiyahs and Burqas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Would a a coup not have been more effective at a regime overthrow. Although US backed coups haven't a great track record. Syria looks to have gone somewhat to plan. I don't see a regime change without boots on the ground.

    Trump saying he wasn't after a regime change now saying he is. What's next? What's everyone thinking?

    Also, are Iran still lobbing missiles today?

    Post edited by Dubh Geannain on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭AugustRain


    Alastair Campbell is a demented thwarted goblin of a man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    Regime change was always the agenda of both Israel and the U.S when it came to Iran. I think Trump is just laying the groundwork for more U.S. involvement in attacking Iran. I don't see Iran surrendering even with U.S. military involvement. U.S unlikely to commit to a ground invasion. Israel will continue to rain missiles down on Israel. They've done extensive damage in a week so god knows what carnage will be caused after a month. Israel having started the aggression can't be seen to stop the attacks on Iran. The only possible off ramp is a joint declaration of ceasefire.

    Israel is now in a heap of trouble. It is widely acknowledged they have nuclear weapons yet have never allowed the IAEA in to inspect it's facilties. Given the U.S. attacks Iran will now have every right to stop future inspections given that the IAEA is seen as having co-operated with Israel in giving details of the Iranian nuclear sites. It's seems highly likely now that Iran will develop nuclear weapons. Khameini has always opposed nuclear weapons but given the attack by America that last hurdle is likely to be removed.

    Another big challenge for Israel is once a ceasefire is agreed will those who fled return. We don't know how many have fled but the sense of security that Israeli's felt is likely to be shattered for years to come. The cost of repairing Israel is going to be astronomical let alone the cost of being at war. For all that some countries fear outside forces sometimes the greatest enemy lies within.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭combat14


    alternatively iran attack western interests in the gulf or elsewhere and the aytollahs are simply taken out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,228 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    If the Iranian government think that regime change is the goal then the natural result is an unrestrained response. The Iranians to date have calibrated their responses to US and Israeli actions to avoid escalation - think their fleet of slow moving drones that were all shot down or attacking an empty part of a US base.

    If their lives are on the line you'd think extreme actions like closing the strait or direct attacks on US interests in the region and or waging asymmetric warfare on the homeland would be on the table. You'd also imagine that the hawks in Iran are directing things now. Even Iranian allies and partners I doubt will be able to control them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,462 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Americas track record at regime changes over the years is…questionable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    MIGA ….. where did I hear that before ?? … oh yes …. those bought and paid for disciples of Trump here in Ireland from the Ireland First and Irish People et al ….. now there is an Iranian branch ….. whether the I part stands for Iran or Ireland one thing is certain …. both our countries are better off without that poison ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    Iran has been v measured overall in response to all the aggression that the Republican hardliner warhawks mount on them …… breaking JCPOA ….. sanctions …… murder of Soleimani ….. Netanyahu's attempted invasion …. etc …. the Iranians know the drill ….. they are being goaded into war and they are not taking the bait ….. but why in the name of hell are the US and some European countries so besotted with Netanyahu ….. the ghost of Milosevic must be wondering what does he have that I didn't !!!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    I see we now have worldwide protests in support of the other terrorist state of Iran. The mind boggles. Now we have a world supporting Hamas and Iran. What next? Protests in support of Putin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    You're doing it again. The world is supporting Hamas? Would you be willing to admit that possibly some of those people may actually be protesting in support of the every day Palestinian? Or would that nullify the stupid argument and outright lie you have been peddling for God knows how long. When someone criticises the Israeli regime and war crimes, you people label them anti-Semitic. But you continue to tar Hamas and Palestinians all as one.

    Its just constantly arguing in bad faith, ignoring or oblivious to the civilians who are being mown down in the street while queuing for food. Honestly, it is disgusting and I have no idea how you can come online and peddle this narrative and still look yourself in the mirror. Or worse, look at your own sons and daughters or nieces and nephews, knowing that half a world away innocent kids the same age, with the same right to life, are being murdered on a daily basis by the very people you are excusing and defending. Honestly, its downright disgusting and I for one will never forgive anyone who defends this barbarity. History will remember you people in the exact same way those who inflicted the Holocaust are remembered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    A majority of Americans , in pre attack polls are opposed to a US attack on Iran. Are these people also “Iran supporters”?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Gonna have to correct you there

    They had thousands of tactical nukes which didn’t need any codes like the few hundred strategic nukes they had

    The whole Soviet doctrine was centered around commanders in field (trained in Kiev artillery school) being able to fire nukes in artillery shells without any input from Moscow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    82% of Jewish Israelis support the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
    57% want all Arab Israelis ethnically cleansed

    47% want all inhabitants of Gaza killed

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I’m sure President Conor Mc Gregor would welcome illegal attacks on sovereign states by Israel, Russia and the US too. All that’s missing from the posters is Netenyahu.

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    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    There is a book called Overthrow by Stephen Kinzer which discusses every US regime change operation. It’s extraordinary and horrific.

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    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭AugustRain


    there was a rally in O’Connell st yesterday. Usual small but vocal crowd. Standing there completely shamelessly with a banner that said “Ireland stands with Iran” or some similar nonsense. I’ll go and see if I can find the article.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,605 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    That's quite shocking numbers, would you have a source for that?

    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,279 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    And that just it. Iran WERE trying to "go back to thing that was working". They were even having face to face talks* with the guys who pulled out of the "thing that was working" because of the whim of an idiot who has somehow found himself President of the most powerful nation on the planet and in charge of numerous responsibilities that he is clearly incapable of handling. Enter that psychopath Netanyahu and what we have now is an escalation of tensions where the obvious path was negotiations.

    *something which doesn't happen and shows Iran's bona fides with regards to re-engaging in a deal, if nothing else.



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