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Unsolved Irish Mysteries.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    "And why would Annie persuade him to drive her over to her new boyfriend, rather than tell him to **** off?"

    Because, 1993, plus what NoeldeBournaix above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 padraig1963


    If nothing shows up at Monastery Walk I would like to see every property ever associated with this suspect between 1993 and 2011 systematically searched with the cadaver dog. With his old alibi now undermined by his own brother combined with credible accounts of his violence to Annie, he is now without doubt suspect number 1. And his then girlfriend (maybe his wife now) that he was cheating on with Annie, would be a potential suspect number 2.

    And the value in the extensive search at his old family home, even if no remains are found, is that his world is now upturned. What are the bets that the current detectives after his arrest only got 24 hours solid of "no comment". They will have got a lot from this face to face with him even if it was silence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Spot on. The purposes of the search may be multifold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Strange. If I feared I was being fitted up by the cops for a murder I had nothing to do with, one thing I wouldn't do would be to delete my rental properties from all websites they were advertised on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 padraig1963


    Thats very true. Or slam down the phone to a reporter when asked his side of the story.

    There was also a golf venue on the wife's side. That could be a long 18 holes for wee Fern.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Sounds like wee Fern may have to cancel her holiday plans, but at least PSNI pay good overtime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    The suspected violence against Annie by the suspect back then rings very hollow when she was with him in town in pubs the week after st Patrick's day…he may still have a temper but most of us do too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,418 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Not that it matters but it was 1989 before she went back to the states in 1991.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Ah ok. But general point I'd stand by, different era, young people, ie people in their twenties, didn't have cars in general, and would grab a lift of someone who did if it saved time. Young people took risks back then that the modern generation probably wouldn't, and vast majority lived to tell the tale. Annie sadly didn't.

    I'm not proud of this, but in the mid 1990s, was drink driving home from the pub/night-club regularly, and because I was one of the few in my group that had a car, was often the designated driver.

    And before that, would have accepted lifts from the few others in the group that had cars and even that I didn't know that well, some of whom were also drink drivers. One of whom now a Senator and another a barrister, but I'll leave that for the memoirs, lol.

    If the fella lost the plot because he found himself voluntarily giving a lift to his ex-girlfriend to her new boyfriend's gaf, then he's a wrong un. Allegedly.

    The whole culture has changed massively since 1989-1993.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 meat eating green


    ridiculous amount of innuendo and posturing on this thread

    Given the constraints of proof for the guards, I am surprised that there are not more vigilante activities against suspects …



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Can you link one of these "creditable accounts of violence to Annie" ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,418 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    " With his old alibi now undermined by his own brother "

    That's the assumption a lot of people have been making, but according Sindo today the alibi was busted a few months ago when the person withdrew the statement that the suspect was at a hotel when Annie went missing.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/hotel-alibi-for-suspect-in-annie-mccarrick-murder-investigation-has-been-withdrawn/a1942769068.html

    https://archive.ph/M3Tli

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭Crakepottle?


    This is so true. A different world back then. Driving with drink was generally accepted. And tobacco! Those smiling nostalgic photos don't display the fact that even non smokers stank of cigarettes after an evening in the pub or a party. I didn't read the Irish Times yesterday but the "effin eejit" quote made me smile because it's just so typically Irish and not generally offensive . So sad for Annie's loved ones and I hope the truth emerges. Likewise for the suspect if he did nothing wrong. His life has no doubt already been overturned and its likely to get worse whether or not there is enough evidence to charge him. The bottom line is that none of us really know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭juneg


    Different times for sure. We thought nothing of people cursing like that but maybe an American was horrified by it. Fights and rough behavior was a lot more common especially if you grew up in a house full of siblings you fought your corner. I remember plenty fights and slaps among my own brothers. Nobody batted an eyelid. They weren't all on their phones wrapped in cotton wool in those days like they are now.

    We hitch hiked everywhere as did most of our friends the length and breadth of the country. Coming out from college on a Friday evening there would be a line of hitchhikers on the road going home. No phones no means of contact except write a letter! After poor Jo Jo Dollard though that was the end of the hitchhiking. The era of perceived safety was over.

    You can't apply the norms of today to how we lived in late 80s early 90s. Younger people today would be horrified.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Not entirely clear from this article whether the person providing this alibi was also the brother. 'oh, he stayed in a hotel with me'. Doesn't reflect well on AGS if they didn't actually check with the hotel independently at the time.

    A person from Dublin and who had their own car staying in a Dublin hotel strikes me as a relatively unusual thing to do, surely that would have prompted them to make further inquiries, but obviously didn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    I wasn't previously aware that Jo Jo's disappearance had prompted a decline in hitchhiking especially among females, but yeah that make sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    At the time, Annie's friends included the 2 brothers.... probably Annie's parents also knew the brothers as Annie's circle of friends...that circle of friends would not have been suspected of causing any harm to Annie …more than likely someone Annie didn't know harmed her would be Garda thinking at the time... definitely not her friends anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭NoeldeBournaix


    Radio Espial have a new video up covering updates to the cases of Tina Satchwell, Fiona Pender, Annie Mccarrick and Aisling Murphy.


    On the Annie Mccarrick case, no additional information on what has already been discussed here but they do include what is likely the last photo taken of Annie at the St. Patrick's Day parade 1993. Maybe it has been posted before but I don't recall seeing it.


    Note Mick seems very angry/ cranky in this episode but the other guy Brian adds some balance. Sky news and some commenters getting singled out for attention!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Yeah Mick can get a bit cranky. The other guy adds balance. Good podcast in general though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    They are kinda suggesting a lot of her friends are not telling the full truth still



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭NoeldeBournaix


    Interesting that Mick/ Brian say they have spoken to two witnesses (who have already given statements).

    Yeah I wonder how many people were in the social circle? The two brothers and their partners but probably more, obviously she had plenty of friends/ acquaintances but they may not have all been part of the one circle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    She looks like a bubbly fun type girl and would have loads of friends no doubt....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 padraig1963


    You're right it was a very odd thing to do, booking into a hotel in Dublin when you already live there. And even if you are booked in to a hotel that doesn't mean you couldn't leave for a few hours and commit a murder elsewhere in the city and then return. Unless the alibi said they were together the whole day which they must have done and are now retracting that.

    I think Annies father John especially didn't like one of the brothers, telling him to back off during the various searches, as he was over involved. John complained in the Sunday Tribune article way back in 1998 that he was unhappy the guards weren't following up on who he thought were more probable suspects and not checking their cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,418 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    "The Sunday Independent understands a man well-known to a Co Meath-based businessman who was arrested and released without charge told gardaí many years ago that the suspect stayed in a Dublin hotel on the night Ms ­McCarrick went missing."

    Yes, looking at it again, I myself assumed "a man" was someone other than the brother. I suppose they couldn't say "a man close to the suspect" or "a man in another juristiction".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,210 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    just watched this and one thing that I hadn’t heard before was that Annie had had romantic relationships with both brothers over a number of years while she was here. Also that false alibis were provided by friends, work colleagues and relatives either knowingly or unknowingly. It’s at 1.04:20.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭NoeldeBournaix


    Maybe romantic encounter with one that went no where, and brief romantic relationship with the other that we know of? But now that you point it out, I hadn't heard that before either.

    Id say the friends they are referring to may be the partner(s) - knowingly or unknowingly - although would be interesting if any one else was involved. The relative we know, but again if any other relatives were involved knowingly or unknowingly.

    On the colleagues, this from the Sun newspaper last week if can be believed.

    "Detectives plan to re-interview the suspect’s former colleagues and pals after raising concerns about his alibis at the time the US woman went missing.

    One source said: “A plan is in place to establish the whereabouts of the suspect’s former colleagues at the time of Annie’s disappearance and reinterview them.

    “It’s possible that through the passage of time that they might recall something that they might have forgotten about at the time.

    “There are concerns over the suspect’s alibis but any evidence at the moment is just circumstantial.

    “One strand is that one of the suspect’s former colleagues had concerns about his lack of empathy after Annie’s disappearance.

    “This person made it clear that the suspect didn’t appear to be too grief stricken considering how much he was obsessed with Annie.”

    We also understand that gardai have been made aware of a row the suspect had at a wedding in the weeks after Annie was last seen alive.

    The source added: “He had a public row with a relative and gardai are trying to establish if this had anything to do with Annie."

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/15387131/annie-mccarrick-murder-suspect-obsessed-gardai-reinterview/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    We are hearing a lot of his obsession with Annie yet he was in a relationship at the time of her disappearance and married this girlfriend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭NoeldeBournaix


    In his book 'Missing, Presumed', retired garda Alan Bailey states Annie made two phonecalls from the phone box on the Friday morning.

    "She first rang Hilary Brady at work to confirm their dinner date for Saturday night, and she told him how much she was looking forward to their company". The second was to Anne O'Dwyer.

    Can this be taken as factual then, as in the phone records show a call was made to Hilarys workplace from the phone box around that time. Obviously there are a lot of issues with the content of that book that we now know about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 padraig1963


    Thats interesting and you would have to assume factual if from a detective on the case. If Hilary Brady was at work how could it be him giving an alibi that the suspect was in a hotel all day. Was the suspect at work with him when Annie phoned. Did they work together? Did Hilary share the phone conversation with the suspect. Did he leave the office shortly after.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,418 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Well the suspect's brother "abroad" is saying, Quote;

    "They did indeed interview me but there was nothing about my interview with them that gave them fresh evidence to go after my brother,” he said."

    According to the Mirror this morning.

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/my-brother-nothing-annies-disappearance-35434383

    According to the article it appears the brothers did not work together.



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