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Random EV Thoughts 2 - The Jimnying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    It appears to be a hybrid. I'm not sure Ioniq hybrids were ever officially sold here, but they were in the UK and this is a UK import. €170 is also the tax rate for a hybrid of that age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    That's very odd. I've seen lots of Ioniq hybrids and they don't have the smooth front bumper like that, they have grilles somewhere in the bumper.

    I think the copper details were for the electric only. Maybe the modding scene has some new trends.

    Is it possible to make a clerical error when importing by selecting the hybrid by mistake?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭gallagheri


    Does anyone here have an id7? What trim and optionals are a must? I can probably take the smaller battery but optionals like the heat pump, interior and styling package with the roof seem like obvious options but they add 8k to the price or more. If anyone has experience with speccing the car would like to hear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,688 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Save money and dont bother with heat pump anyway. Unless you max out the range regularly and a heat pump gets you home where a non heat pump wouldn't, then its not worth it.

    I was in same position with another VW product in January, Tavascan and i was given 2 choices, the base spec car endurance 4 or the top spec endurance 6 which were 8k in the difference and that 8k gave me the spec below, I couldnt pick and choose....I'll let you know which I think were worth it. Some of the options may be the same.

    21 inch wheels, yes, worth some money to me purely from styling perspective. Probably no need to go so big though. Nice 19s or 20s will look good on an id7.

    Cupra also add adaptive suspension on the 21s versions which they dont on the 19s and its very much needed, car would be a nightmare without them, so my suggestion is if you have big wheels, get adaptive suspension. Or just get it anyway, its great being able to change it based on road surface.

    Upgraded interior, yes in my case worth it I just thought it was a good bit nicer, not sure of the difference in id7 and its personal preference.

    Electric seats, not too bothered, I don't think id pay much for them to be honest. I dont mind manual seats.

    Heated front seats, yes, definitely worth it. Bit mean of cupra not to offer them as standard, I guess id7 has them in all models anyway. I use heated seats and steering wheel a lot, helps with energy consumption too.

    Same with rear armrest and load through, should be standard.

    Double floor in boot, very handy, I have a good few things under there and still have a clear boot. Charging cables, car cleaning products. It's shallow enough but the right shaped items fit nicely.

    Immersive ambient lights, definitely, great light show inside tavascan, depends on what the difference in id7 spec levels offer. Im a sucker for visual appeal though.

    Sennheiser sound system, I never heard base system but its streets ahead of base system in my Born, but that's not great at all.

    Top view camera, yes, great for parking. Probably wouldn't pay for it if given the choice.

    HUD is impressive, but I dont know if id pay much for it given the option.

    DCC sport, see above about adaptive suspension.

    Panoramic roof, 100% worth it, i love it, first one I've ever had.

    Matrix LEDs, excellent but not sure how much better than standard LEDs they are. I definitely don't get enough use on dark unlit roads to justify spending much money on them

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,883 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    You absolutely don't need the hp isn't the range good for nearly 600km anyway? I'd go black roof, black styling and upgrade wheels and leave the rest.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,732 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,732 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    I'm guessing you already own a Tesla, which means you've already placed your bet ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,883 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Not yet but probably in h2 of this year due to my disillusionment with the German EV offerings and their ridiculous depreciation.

    What's the basis for your hypothesis?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    You come across a bitter bitter little man.
    Belittle anyone that doesn’t agree with your bigotry opinions. Very apparent across your posts and I’m glad others have called you out on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,732 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    That they'll not be around in 5 years? Partly it's due to the fact that their sales figures are pretty concerning. Partly it's due to the fact that they're still releasing cars that haven't evolved in terms of design language in around 13 years (which to me reveals a lack of interest in refinement and long-term support, and more interest in share-price inflating "innovation" chasing). Partly it's due to Musk's history of failing to meet his promises. Partly it's due to the fact that even if you believe his promises right now, they amount to a robotaxi and not much else.

    Even if I take an objective stance on Tesla Inc, I think their future lies in vehicle automation, battery technology, charging infrastructure. To me, they're not acting (and certainly Musk isn't acting) like they want to be a car company in 5 years time.

    Beyond that too, I think their European operations have suffered unrecoverable wounds at this stage, and even if they remain a car company, it'll become much more US-centric than it has been in the last few years.

    That all said, memories are short, and I'm sure we'll see a bit of a recovery in their European sales now that Musk has gone relatively quiet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Old design language. MY Juniper and Cybertruck say Hello! 🤗

    They absolutely had to share common parts between the Model 3 and Y when they were expanding. They needed profit bug time and they were building several factories at the same time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,732 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Except you're the one that replied to a reasonable (and not at all belittling of anyone) post of mine with this lovely belittling and rude statement:

    fools and their money…

    Learn how to have a construction discussion, because you certainly aren't acting like a grown up with your posts.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Laughable that people can brush off VW’s woes with “that’s just a blip”. German fanboys and they call anyone that questions a Tesla comment a Tesla fanboy. The mind boggles indeed.

    You kan see the same posters at it every time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,732 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    VW are going through more than just a blip, they're going through a complete reinvention and remaking of the entire company, at the same time that market conditions have really hurt them, and while their reputation post-Dieselgate is still recovering. It's a huge, seismic change for them.

    But I think it's hard for anyone to argue that the German government won't prop them up and fight their corner no matter what.

    You cannot persuade me the same thing is true of Tesla right now. They have a US government that is actively working against electric vehicles, at the same time as they have made a series of self-inflicted wounds.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I think the German government would prop or bail VW out. I think the US government would let Tesla fail of course. Dieselgate, data leaks and the CEO hitler commentary in 2009 are all recent events alright.

    VW could turn into another Chinese government owner company or substantially funded company like BYD etc

    But aslong as VW have the dealer network and more importantly, VW Bank, they will continue to do well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    You forgot to mention the cybertruck disaster and becoming much more US-centric is damn hard after backing the orange one, he alienated his most important customer base, it would take a special kind of person not to be able to see that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,732 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Well yes, the true insanity of Musk's foray into politics is he embraced the demographic of people who are only going to buy an electric car if they are forced to, and then the Trump administration removed a bunch of EV mandates and supports while he was working with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,883 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Yet the juniper is an extensive redesign of the best selling car in the world, the highland 3 is the best ev for the money available right now imo and they have invested significantly in their manufacturing capability, they have created the direct to consumer model everyone else is trying to copy now.

    They are a transportation company, once automated driving takes over that will be their main income source I don't think anyone disputes that, but it won't be in 5 years, happy to have a friendly wager with you with 50 going to the charity of either of our choices should you be proven right or vice versa.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,854 ✭✭✭893bet


    Old design language……lol


    2 points


    1) When the design is good you don’t need to change it every 3-5 yrs.

    2) In the last 10 years every other car has been slowly morphing into the same crossover. Not good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,966 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    2 Excellent EV’s but they’re going to struggle to grow in the long term without a full range of models. They’re surely missing out on sales of small cars, estate cars, 7 seaters, commercial vans, 4x4’s, executive cars, sports cars etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,883 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Small car yes, I think theres a Tesla 2 mooted? Estates aren't big sellers, x and s have 7 seat options don't they? All models are available as 4 wd and the cyber truck is a very rugged 4x4, s and x are exec models, tesla roadster coming too, just missing the vans?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    It's not like BMW and Audi saloons haven't looked the same for the last 30years, not to mention the 911 👀

    Toyota seem to OK with 20+years of the same designs.

    Agree it's mad they haven't broadened the range, smaller hatchback, 7 seater, vans etc..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,732 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Most manufacturers have continually evolved their car designs over the years, I don't think it's realistic to say a BMW F10 looks the same as a G60 for example. And the XW60 Prius is vastly different from the XW30.

    However, what I originally said wasn't about how they looked but that the staid design of the cars is a symptom of "lack of interest in refinement and long-term support" — from any other manufacturer I would have expected at least 1 or 2 major facelifts in the 13 years since the Model 3 went on sale, or 10 years of the Model X.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,883 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    The highland is better than the the original model 3 in almost every way missing stalks aside also you should fact check your assertion that the model 3 was launched 13 years ago, it was 2017 and then substantially face lifted 6 years later all pretty normal as it goes (ditto the Y)



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    2019 model 3 arrived here. Refreshed in 2021/22 or thereabouts. Nothing maybe but rec iCal advancements is where it’s at. The Cd values can’t get “much” lower so the exterior design will be somewhat resembling what’s there now for the foreseeable future will all manufacturers. The technical advancements will be in battery tech, efficiency, smaller batteries and more sustainable batteries.

    The same way we haven’t seen a BMW i4 design changes since that was announced in 2019/2020.

    It’s the same reason why your phone has not drastically changed in external appearance in the last 10 years. The golf hasn’t changed in 20’years etc etc



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I personally don’t think they want to saturate the market with 5, 6 or 7 cars. Here at least, they don’t have the infrastructure or presence with regards to dealers or staff.

    Then your into the price points. When a model 3 is €36k on the road, what’s a realistic

    Price point for a hatch back, ID3 sized car? It has to be 25’ish so as to not take sales from the 4. But VW, Cupra, et al can’t get a hatchback with that pricing so I don’t know what to believe about all these rumors of a smaller car to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,732 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Sorry, mixed up the Model S and the 3! I can never tell them apart



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Can't tell them apart? Change your avatar to Professor Farnsworth then!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,675 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    🤡⛽️



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



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