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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 06/06/25

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,391 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,451 ✭✭✭Field east


    is there any information on what exactly did theUS bomb, ;were bunker buster bombs used , and if so, how many were used; was the whole mountain levelled or what?

    We were lead to believe that there would be at least two bunker bombs needed because the nuclear enrichment facilities are located deep down into the mountain, that all structures around the bomb site, for miles would be shaken to pieces , etc

    Is there any possibility that the Iranians would have ‘discretely moved the ‘gold’ - enriched uranium - to a ‘safe house’ before the bombing.?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    it has significantly restricted access for inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). Specifically, Iran has suspended the implementation of the Additional Protocol, which provides the IAEA with enhanced monitoring tools, though a temporary understanding allows inspectors to continue their work to a degree.

    You shouldn't need me to educate you on this matter. Why would you enrich uranium to such stupidly high levels and then restrict access to the inspectors?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,346 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So no sources, just more sycophantic support for Trump and Netanyahu's warmongering. The deal stopped them doing it but Trump decided that allowing them to do so was better for some reason.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,526 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Well know more shortly with the Pentagon press conference starting.

    But so far they have said at least 6 bombs where used. Iran have claimed they removed all the Uranian days prior to the bombing (satellite images shows dozens of trucks at the mountain)

    1000015713.jpg

    That's a satellite image from after the bombing. Pretty hard to tell the damage



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,882 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,391 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Trump could have threatened to withhold weapons to Israel, and continued with the scheduled talks with Iran. And tried to get the talks about the two-state solution back on track. But TACO.

    The UN talks co-hosted by France and Saudi Arabia aimed at forging a roadmap towards a two-state solution between Israel and the Palestinians has been postponed after Israel launched a military attack on Iran the day before they were due to start.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/un-conference-on-israel-palestinian-issue-postponed-after-attack-on-iran-sources-say/ar-AA1GFe9B



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭yagan


    The whole nuclear angle is a thirty year Israeli lie.

    Israel's primary target always was and always will be Iran's conventional missile stock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Ah will ya stop, look it right here

    ”It says Iran's "many failures" to provide the IAEA with full answers about its undeclared nuclear material and activities constitutes non-compliance. It also expresses concern about Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium, which can be used to make reactor fuel but also nuclear weapons.

    Iran condemned the resolution as "political" and said it would open a new enrichment facility.

    It follows a report from the IAEA last week which criticised Iran's "general lack of co-operation" and said it had enough uranium enriched to 60% purity, near weapons grade, to potentially make nine nuclear bombs.”



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,346 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    After Trump torpedoed the deal, they withdrew from the restrictions. All of this is down to Trump. All of it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    I’ve zero love for Trump as you can see from my posts in this thread

    But that was as supremely stupid decision by Iranian regime



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    If you're bothered commenting on such a serious topic I shouldn't have to do your research for you but here you go. A quick Google will show endless reports regarding Iran's lack of cooperation with the IAEA. Even anti Israeli sites like Al Jazeera have been reporting it. For someone like you not to know about this while being invested in the debate you either refuse to acknowledge the truth or you just can't face the truth. Here you go straight from the IAEA.

    "From 8 May 2019 onwards, however, Iran stopped implementing its nuclear-related commitments
    under the JCPOA on a step-by-step basis until, on 23 February 2021, it stopped implementing them
    altogether, including the Additional Protocol. As a result, Iran no longer allows the Agency to conduct
    the following verification and monitoring activities in relation to the JCPOA:
     Monitor or verify Iranian production and stocks of heavy water (paras 14 and 159
    ).
     Verify that the use of shielded cells at two locations, referred to in the decision of the Joint
    Commission of 14 January 2016 (INFCIRC/907), are being operated as approved by the Joint
    Commission (para. 21).

    Implement continuous monitoring to verify that all centrifuges and associated infrastructure

    in storage remain in storage or have been used to replace failed or damaged centrifuges (para. 70).

     Perform daily access upon request to the enrichment facilities at Natanz and Fordow,

    including to monitor Iran’s production of stable isotopes (paras 71 and 51).

     Verify in-process low enriched nuclear material at enrichment facilities as part of the total

    enriched uranium stockpile (para. 56).

     Verify whether or not Iran has conducted mechanical testing of centrifuges as specified in

    the JCPOA (paras 32 and 40).

     Monitor or verify Iranian production and inventory of centrifuge rotor tubes, bellows or

    assembled rotors; verify whether produced rotor tubes and bellows are consistent with the

    centrifuge designs described in the JCPOA; verify whether produced rotor tubes and bellows have

    been used to manufacture centrifuges for the activities specified in the JCPOA (paras 80.1 and

    80.2); verify whether rotor tubes and bellows have been manufactured using carbon fibre which

    meets the specifications agreed under the JCPOA.10

     Monitor or verify the uranium ore concentrate (UOC) produced in Iran or obtained from any

    other source; and whether such UOC has been transferred to the Uranium Conversion Facility

    (UCF) (paras 68 and 69).

     Verify Iran’s other JCPOA nuclear-related commitments, including those set out in Sections

    D, E, S and T of Annex I of the JCPOA.

    7. This has seriously affected the Agency’s JCPOA-related verification and monitoring activities.

    The situation was exacerbated in June 2022 by Iran’s decision to remove all of the Agency’s

    JCPOA‑related surveillance and monitoring equipment. As a result of not having been able to perform

    JCPOA-related verification and monitoring activities for four years, the Agency has lost continuity of

    knowledge in relation to the production and current inventory of centrifuges, rotors and bellows, heavy

    water and UOC, which it will not be possible to restore.

    The source is the IAEA website. You can go there and read the reports yourself. I'm not giving you a link because you should be spending time to research this yourself before arguing against those who have. And that's just a taster from the report. Can I ask you where your grá for the islamic dictatorship comes from?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,346 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This is pointless. Trump pulled out of the deal in 2018 leading to its collapse. I've no idea why this needs to be pointed out again and again.

    Anyway, I've had my fill of this. Let's leave it there.

    Post edited by ancapailldorcha at

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭yagan


    Why should Iran care what anyone in the west hears from them. When they participate in talks it usually gets hyjacked by Israel via proxies.

    The USA and UK never accepted that their puppet dictator the Shah got booted out. When the UK installed the Shah the Royal Navy was over 40% dependent on the cheapest oil possible from Iran, which is why they led the coup against an administration wanting more royalties going to the state.

    An another trope that gets worn out by Irish anti Iran commentators is the socially conservative angle. Divorce and abortion remained available and were actually broadened under the Ayatollahs when Ireland was detaining raped teenagers for trying to procure an abortion abroad and divorce was illegal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    As if that justifies Iran's actions. My drivel comes straight from the IAEA. Keep burying your head in the sand buddy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,249 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If a burglar rang me up and said they planned to steal all my jewellery and loose cash some time in the next two weeks, you can be pretty sure I'd move all my jewellery and loose cash off to a safe location. This is logic a child could follow and act upon.

    Either the US administration really is that dumb or else it's an excuse to bomb other parts of Iran in the coming days in order to eliminate all of that enriched uranium.

    However, even if we assume the latter, Iran would have to be pretty stupid not to keep their remaining stockpile widely dispersed in small amounts as opposed to one location.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,023 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Why has Iran enriched Uranium to 60% when you only need 20% for energy production ? Why waste all that extra time & effort ? Why not open their facilities for the World to inspect ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Under Sharia (Islamic law), both divorce and abortion are permissible, but with specific conditions and restrictions. Divorce is generally allowed, although it is considered undesirable and ideally should be avoided. Abortion is generally prohibited, but there are some limited exceptions, primarily to save the mother's life or health.

    That's why it was permissable not for some great love of women. If you're to credit one aspect of Islam you have to balance it out with the horrific negatives that came with it, including in Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,451 ✭✭✭Field east


    I do not know the timelines for the all of these statements but I understand that the Obama admin was in talks with Iran to solve the nuclear issue and when Trump came to power he rubbished the continuation of these talks and cancelled them - thus giving Iran free reign to continue enriching.

    I can see how Iran - as a result of the above- might not fully cooperate with the IAEA. I would not be surprised if there is a ‘strong connection’ between the IAEA andthe US admin. So info available to the IAEA would be transferred to the US by eg back channels, leaks, etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭yagan


    Why doesn't anyone question why it taking over three decades to create a nuclear bomb program?

    Oh yeah, because it's an Israeli distraction to switch attention away from their daily genocide in Palestine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,023 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    But if you are focusing on 20% enrichment for peaceful use, why would you worry about the Americans or anyone else seeing it ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    They did

    Then Trump pulled out of the treaty and we'll.......here's where we're at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭numbnutz


    I was reading somewhere that the cost of running the Iron Dome at the moment with the amount of missiles being used was circa 280 million dollars a day.There is probably a lot of credibilty to what is being said here as the Iranians are flooding the Iron Dome keeping it busy while it flies it hypersonic missiles in which are proving very effective.

    It will be interesting to see what happ3ns now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,882 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Regardless of who is the president of America the evil islamic regime should never have persued such a dangerous program.

    I get why they did it but it doesn't make it right. Tbh it was pretty stupid of them not to cooperative. The Israeli's run the western world and they openly state they wanted to erase Israel while developing thousands of ballistics while in a position where they'd never be too far away from nukes if they wish.

    Pulling out of the IAEA inspections (unrestricted) effectively removed any good faith they had.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Because the threat of American/, Israeli action prevented them from implementing the final step. As they've now crossed the line where they could genuinely be developing it they've now been hit. There's a term in warfare which applies here, FAFO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,023 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Reading the reports it seems that they were far from open & cooperative. Enriching above 20% only serves one purpose & sends a warning to the world. If you proclaim that you want the destruction of Israel, fund proxies to attack merchant shipping etc, it hardly says you want peace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The key word here being you read reports. Too many uneducated people sticking their nose into without educating themselves. Ah sure Iran named a street after Bobby sands, great bunch of lads.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭yagan


    It is odd when we weigh things up.

    Israel which is undoubtedly committing genocide via starvation and military murder is being protected from the only country that's actually responding to that genocide with something more that "thoughts and prayers", which is the standard EU reaction.



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