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Pcp "50% rule" Voluntary Termination

  • 14-06-2025 05:44PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭


    Hi - did anyone use pcp "50% rule" voluntary Termination rule? How does it work on ev? Do we need add grant value when calculating Total Amount Payable? Grant was not mention on my finance. So in my example total Payable is 55882 for the purpose of the 50% rule.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭KLF


    Looks like you’ve a hire purchase loan and not PCP but the half rule can still be invoked. It would be half of the HP Price as mentioned so just under 28K.

    The grants reduced the overall cost of the car but not relevant to the half rule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭kris_2021


    I am on pcp though?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭KLF


    Apart from it saying Hire Purchase in your screenshot there is no mention of the baloon payment at the end of the PCP you’d expect to see. If you’re sure you’re on PCP then maybe you’re showing the wrong figures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭kris_2021


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    I am sure I'm on pcp 😁

    Regardless let's say 50% is 28k and I paid 27k already can I give them my car and 1k and that's it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭6.5x55 seller ammo


    Would the 50% rule not be half the repayable amount? So €21,304.81?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I think @fits and @Mad_lad used this rule before on a PCP so they might be able to help

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭kris_2021




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭fits


    it’s written in your finance contract what the figure is. There’s a separate clause about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭fits


    The half rule is part of the Consumer Credit Act 1995 and gives you the right to end a PCP or HP agreement at any time. The half rule limits your liability (the amount you are responsible for) to half the PCP or HP price of the car. Your documentation (the agreement) from the finance company must show the figure for half the PCP or HP price of the car. This is different to the price you paid for the car as the PCP or HP price will also include the interest charged by the finance company.

    • If you have paid less than half of the PCP or HP price of the car, you can give the car back, and you will only owe the difference between what you have paid, and half of the price of the car. You do not have to pay half the PCP or HP price to the finance company before you end the agreement. However, you will have to pay the difference between the payments you have made to date and half the PCP or HP price.
    • If you have paid more than halfof the PCP or HP price of the car and have not missed any payments, you can end the agreement and hand back the car. You will be responsible for the cost of any repairs that are necessary. If you have paid more than half of the PCP or HP price, you will not be entitled to any refund.

    Can you use the half rule even if you are in arrears?

    Yes – you can end your agreement and use the half rule while you are in arrears. However, you will still owe the arrears to the finance company. They may also have the right to charge you additional interest on your arrears – called surcharge interest. You need to check your original agreement to confirm the amount of interest they can charge on those arrears.

    taken from ccpc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭kris_2021




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭yllw.ldbttr


    Used it on a vw id4 which was worth 10k less than the current finance amount.

    Sent the letter, called them and told them, they were not happy and tried to talk me out of it.

    Next day a guy came and picked the car up, it went to auction a week later.

    Double check the specific clause in your contract which will state the amount which quantifies as 50%. Ensure you follow the hand back process and document everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭kris_2021




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭yllw.ldbttr


    I think anyone who bought one before the significant price drops got stung on their PCP.

    Must be a lot of people handing them back, people who read the contract anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭kris_2021


    So am I correct i only need just below 28k to be paid off?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,855 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Couldn't tell you. Tried to read it, but fell off the sofa.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭kris_2021


    So no more advice on this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    what car are you trying to hand back? What valuations have you been given on it?

    Why do you want to give it back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,353 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    The Settlement figure is the PCP Balloon amount



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭fits




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭fits


    it’s amazing really. The finance contracts aren’t long but clearly no one reads them. ( me neither).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭Schorpio


    Can I ask a question (as someone who has never dabbled with PCP).

    From the statements posted, it looks like OP bought a car worth €52k, part-exchanged a car worth €33k, and still owed €42.5k? Unless I'm reading that wrong, that seems like a crazily bad deal?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭6.5x55 seller ammo


    It looks like they rolled finance over. So they got a car worth 50k, part exchanged a car worth 33k - which had c. 19k worth of financing remaining.

    So in reality, put 14k towards a 50k car, with 4k due on interest over the life of the pcp deal.

    (All rounded figures).

    Might be a bad deal, might not be a bad deal depending on your circumstances, what the MV of the car is after the 3 years, and what not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    Literally says it right there, 27 941,32.

    Which is half of the 55 882,63.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭kris_2021


    Correct. I traded in id3 first which went in value after 2 years so it was actually very good deal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭kris_2021


    That's what I want to confirm. VW finance team and the dealer are not responding to any emails.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    VW finance were more than happy May 2024 to allow me hand the ID3 back using the half rule, no trying to talk me out of it but the Woman did say thee were a lot of people handing the ID cars back.

    My situation was that I couldn't find anyone to offer a decent trade price and those who did offer something were taking the P1ss so I handed it back, if I had to get another EV from the dealer they would have just taken the car and offered me nothing anyway as that's what happens on PCP, people think they have equity in the car at the end but in my experience this never happened, perhaps on some car models so I got tired of the massive depreciation , tired of EV and most of all tired of PCP and handed the car back and haven't looked back since.

    The other mistake was getting the larger battery EV because while you might think it's worth more come trade in, it certainly isn't and I wouldn't really want a EV with less range unless I was committed to just using it as run-a-bout which is far too expensive for that, we have Diesel so this got used mostly anyway because we got tired of queues at charge points when away from home and waiting at chargers while charging slowly at "fast" chargers, after 10 years decided enough was enough.

    My attitude now is spend as little on cars as I can get away with, when I think of all the tax the Government get for a new car I'm glad I'm out of that game now.

    That was my 3rd EV in 10 years and by far the best was the BMW i3 Rex, could go anywhere any time no charging, fill up the little petrol tank in 8 seconds and off you go, can't understand why there were no cars like this, 140-180 Km range and ICE backup, best idea ever and no reliance on public charging nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭kris_2021


    How did you proceed with this? Did u send them letter or call them? Did u deal with dealer or VWFS ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I called up VW finance, it’s got nothing to do with the dealer.

    VW Finance will tell you first whether you have paid the correct amount owed and they will give you an email to contact who will then arrange collection of the car and that was the last time I heard from them and I checked that no more money came out of my bank account after the final payment date.

    it was all very easy and VW finance were really great to deal with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭kris_2021


    Thanks.

    No issues with car - very comfy and easy to drive. Just there is no equity in it and won't be at the end of pcp.

    Tesla has now 0.99% finance which i don't want to miss on.

    Will give them the call tomorrow.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I fully understand , been there, done that 3 times that’s why I got out of PCP and new electric cars.

    let us know how it goes with VW finance.



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