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Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭combat14


    US president Donald Trump has said that Iran has “reached out” and “wants to negotiate”.

    He is currently maintaining strategic ambiguity on whether he will join Israeli campaign...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,961 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Sure hope you're right and I'm wrong.

    Can't find any info on how many GBU-57's they (The USA) have

    The used one in Afghanistan a few years back during Trumps first Administration right?

    In 2011 the airforce paid $28m for 8 units
    And again in 2018 the Airforce paid $21 for and unknown number of unit (I'm guessing 4 or 5 with inflation)

    So probably around 12 in stock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,389 ✭✭✭✭briany


    There have even been planes that crashed while carrying nukes, but in none of these incidents did the bomb ever detonate (obviously, we'd have likely known about it in that case).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Goldsboro_B-52_crash

    While not impossible for a nuclear bomb to detonate accidentally, the probability becomes vanishingly small once failsafes are applied.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,868 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Israel also assisted Al nursa- Al Qaeda rebranded- in Syria. They also provided support to sunni terrorists in Iran

    I would contend that Israel because of its policies at home and abroad would also be reaping what it sows were it attacked by another country. The same justification that you use for defending Israel's right to attack Iran should apply to both countries given that both countries have helped to destabilise the region through their policies over the years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,020 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Did you not understand my post. I'll make it simple - no matter who Israel elects '' democratically '' won't be any good for the unfortunate Palestinians who themselves haven't had a vote in 20 years. Democracy doesn't make a jot of difference to them and while Democracy is usually to be lauded it is doing absolutely nothing for them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Netanyahu (at large alleged War Criminal) has been dismantling it for years. And I'd agree - seems there are many who either don't have a clue or conveniently ignore facts to suit their own narrative.

    And isn't it mad that a free democratic multi-party State is committing Genocide. But they have elections so we're all good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I’m not sure Trump’s unique brand of online diplomacy is helping here. Iran’s response:

    No Iranian official has ever asked to grovel at the gates of the White House. The only thing more despicable than his lies is his cowardly threat to “take out” Iran’s Supreme Leader.Iran does NOT negotiate under duress, shall NOT accept peace under duress, and certainly NOT with a has-been warmonger clinging to relevance.Iran shall respond to any threat with a counter-threat, and to any action with reciprocal measures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,020 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Never said that at all and never mentioned a '' Supreme leader ''.. What I did say was that '' democracy '' in Israel is doing nothing for any Palestinian regardless of which party is elected. They will still suffer regardless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It's very telling when posts resort to name-calling. Indicative of the tired old arguments being utterly exhausted.

    A democratic nation headed up by an alleged War Criminal and a Security Minister who is a convicted terrorist, not a good look, is it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,020 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Only for those who can't comprehend it. Do you think the Israeli '' Democracy '' has been good for the Palestinians?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Not doing anything for the Israeli Arabs either - they don't get as many bomb shelters as Israeli Jews.

    So much for being a democracy. Seems some people are more equal than others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,964 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I suppose the purpose of a democracy within a country is to benefit the actual country it's the democracy of.

    You could equally say the One-party authoritarian Islamist statelet under a provisional government which you see in Gaza doesn't exactly benefit Israel either. Not sure what point that really proves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,020 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    And to think that Netanyahu has been shouting out to the US about Iran being close to having a nuclear weapon since 1992 and they still haven't got it.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2025/6/18/the-history-of-netanyahus-rhetoric-on-irans-nuclear-ambitions

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lis3YYos108&ab_channel=LBC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭combat14


    Iran's mission to the UN has branded Trump a "has-been warmonger clinging to relevance".

    they have also denied reaching out to Trump and and insisted it won't "grovel at the gates of the White House"

    meanwhile Trump (the has been) still flip flops on hitting irans nuclear sites

    Trump told reporters he "may or may not" strike Iran, adding "nobody knows what I'm going to do"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,020 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    So its as I though then - only for the 'chosen' people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,916 ✭✭✭Enduro


    What I've read is that the expert opinion is that 2 should be capable of penetrating to the core of Fordo. Which is likely to mean that any mission is likely to be a pair of B-2s, each with 2 MOPs, giving some redundancy. So 12 would be plenty!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Most democracies are good for their neighbours and anybody living within territory they control for that matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,020 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    He doesn't even know what he's going to do ….. or say …..or think. The man's head is all over the place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,964 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Democracy is for any country which wants it. Not really sure what the point you're trying to make here is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,964 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Indeed, and most of these democracies you speak of that are 'good for their neighbours' are surrounded by other democratic countries.

    Check out a picture from The Economist Democracy Index, everything surrounding Israel is in orange and up, denoting the 'Authoritarian regimes' category. (mild to severe)

    Screenshot 2025-06-18 165939.png


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    How is Israel good for its neighbours? The US as a democracy has instigated coups in many countries even bringing down other democracies. Democracies are generally better countries, no doubt, but it shouldnt be used as an excuse when democracies commit war crimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,235 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    why is there this ambiguity around whether or not Trump and America will get “involved”?” They’re knee deep in collusion with their very close ally, Israel. They’re heavily involved by default. Intelligence, weapons, diplomacy, money.. it always been a joint Israel-U.S. effort in the Middle East.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    1: Hit that facility from the air and there's a partially assembled weapon that's destroyed then you potentially have a major contamination problem that the US is obligated to go in and fix.

    Obligated by whom? If that happens, it just proves that the US and Israel were correct to target Iran.

    2: Hit that facility from the air and there's a fully assembled weapon that detonates, you could start WW3.

    Again, with whom?

    That site is in the middle of nowhere, up in a mountain. If the Iran have been lying to the world all this time and the US inadvertently set off a nuke, who is to blame really? It would just prove the point for Trump and Bibi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    The radius of a small 1 KT nuclear bomb is approx 800 meters.

    And this would be underground, which would be even smaller again.

    I think you have watched too many movies.

    As to boots on the ground, it would only be limited to special ops missions. No one is thinking of large-scale assaults.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    They took delivery of 20 of them in 2011, but it's believed they have more. Enough to do the job anyway, it seems.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-57A/B_MOP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,563 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    They can't come out and say that they will get involved because it will upset a large portion of Trumps base. If they do get involved it'll be framed as an 'in-progress' development, and sold as unavoidable.

    As an aside to what is actually happening right now, some of the comments here (almost exclusively) by those appearing to take one side; are frankly disgusting. I can't quote posts or name names because I don't want a ban for personalising an argument. Multiple people implying that someone simply has a hatred of Israel, and shutting them down by questioning their motives for speaking up, sharing their own opinions on matters.. and made out to seem like a person acting in bad faith.

    And then some talking like they are on a podcast about military strategy with all the intel, insight and ingenuity you'd imagine of someone in that position. Yet same person mentions the wrong date for when the Hamas attack happened in Israel.

    It's all kind of profound



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,563 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Double post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    That was me, and I mentioned October the 8th as the day AFTER the Hamas attack, when the IDF retaliation in Gaza kicked off proper… I thought it was obvious given the context of what I was responding to, but whatever..

    More people here want to talk about Gaza, yet there is a thread dedicated to that. This is about the Iran-Israel conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I wouldn't call it profound at all. I would say your post suggests you're angry and annoyed that people don't share your opinion.

    No-one here can shut you down. You're free to post whatever you want, but it's incredibly naive to expect that everyone should hold a collective opinion?

    People are entitled to believe that Iran has been peacefully minding its own business before it was attacked with zero provocation by Israel.

    People are also entitled to think that's completely untrue and not based in reality.

    People are entitled to believe various other things in between.

    Anything you've said could be levelled at posters of all opinions and sides on this thread. It's certainly not exclusive to any one set of opinions but you seem to think it is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Trump does not know if he will get America involved in another stupid war in the middle east-( POTUS does not know himself-

    Trump won't be fighting no matter what -



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