Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

Their narrative is that most asylum seekers coming to Ireland are honest oppressed people fleeing war and persecution. This is not borne out by facts, but it’s what they want people to believe and so they choose not to report the details that challenge their narrative.

Do you find it to be a noteworthy omission no? All the coverage they gave this story and not a single mention?
Pretty big detail to leave out about someone, particularly when they’ve very little background in the country and are at the centre of a nationwide murder story.

So now it seems that Tipperary county council gave good old Utmasta an exemption from planning laws so Dundrum House could be used to accommodate 277 IPAs which has now been shown to be invalid and based on inaccurate information.

Hopefully there is a full and transparent investigation into how the decision was come to and who were the main drivers behind the decision to give the exemption, although I highly doubt it. Transparency seems to be rather thin on the ground when it comes to the AS/IPA accommodation racket.

It’s funny you say that because I’ve already said here that I don’t regard Gript as a mainstream media outlet and that’s the first time I’ve linked a single one of their articles - they are a completely different type of news organisation compared to the IT.
You know what you’re getting with the likes of Gript, whereas the IT maintain a facade of being unbiased, when they clearly are biased.

They are not balanced either, but they pretend to be and can trade off their former history as a balanced outlet to get away with this to greater effect. They amplify only positive aspects of migration (how many “New to the Parish” type articles do we see from them?) - which would be fine, except they also fail to do any original journalism on the negative aspects. They pretend that there are none, and they certainly do not publish anything that would counter that narrative. Michael McDowell is a lone voice in their entire organisation that provides an alternative view.
They have become a wannabe Guardian in recent years.

Can you demonstrate an example of the Irish times "narrative" in action.

Like can you show me an article that highlights the opinion that all asylum seekers "are honest oppressed people fleeing war and persecution" because this seems more a case of your bias rather than an overt message to me.

What reason do you believe the IT are pushing this messaging you can discern?

You might as well admit that very few newspaper's/news outlets will offer a balanced view these days, made up of opinion pieces by biased reporters one way or the other rather than actual facts, all controlled by editors gunning for politically appointed jobs etc.

It is unfortunately true that a noticeable if often understated left wing bias in the media opened the way for Gript, which is obviously very biased.

In general the decline in readership of papers has meant a significant dumbing down of society. Journalism is more important than was realised.

If media coverage had been a bit better I think there'd be far more consensus around immigration. Instead people have become very extreme in their views. You can see it on this thread, there are people arguing that immigration has not driven the housing crisis, while others are insinuating that foreign men are very likely to be a danger to Irish women. Ridiculous stuff, but quite common.

Open a history book - people came to Ireland long before anyone started leaving here in any significant numbers. Unless of course you want to limit to a time frame that suits your speal.

What history book-

Who left first- who came first-

What year / century are U on about-

U preach- but give no details - that tells its own story-

”The IT aren’t doing any articles on this topic”

“Give me examples of these non existent articles”

“There is none, they don’t exist”

“Exactly!!!”

“Ehm yeah…that’s what I said 🤷‍♂️”

It's not a bias.

Constantly, for two decades, all the reporting from RTE and the IT presumes that all AS are genuine.

I have made posts about this on many occasions over the last decade.

The same goes for the SocDems this week, opposing deportations.

They presume the AS are genuine.

Whereas the fact is that their claims are all bogus, as confirmed by Chief Superintendent Aidan Minnock of GNIB, and as confirmed by the Minister and the Taoiseach.

I don't know why the IT and the SocDems behave like this.

But you posted the irish times has a narrative that all asylum seekers "are honest oppressed people fleeing war and persecution"

How can they elicit this narrative if they do not publish articles on it?

https://gript.ie/ipas-fail-dundrum-locals-vindicated-and-delighted/

Gript reporting on what many on here have said time and time again, the whole thing has been a sham. The people of Dundrum, vindicated for raising concerns from the very outset.

Sure, here you go https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/05/04/homeless-asylum-seekers-its-hard-sleeping-outside-its-cold-its-wet-its-no-life/

And who’s asking for them to say “nasty mean things” my flippant friend?

Simply reporting the facts of the full story is plenty, that’s all I’d like to see

Ah right yeah you don’t care now

It’s an example of a complete appeal to emotion, feeding into the narrative they want. You have no idea whatsoever if any of it is factual information, any of the people could have been making it up on the spot. And seen as 80% are not genuine there’s actually a reasonable possibility of that.

You don’t think a story entirely of people describing their desperate situation highlighting their vulnerabilities is concomitant with oppressed people? They’re literally descriptions of the persecution they are said to be fleeing which is what I said. And it’s not opinion, we’ve been talking about their news section this whole time.

Nah Robert you can read it yourself, I’ve enough of your constant demands for “evidence” which I duly provide only for you to brush over and move the goalpost on to something else.

I know what you’re doing, there’s a name for it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning and this is a textbook example

We’ll leave it there