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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    Kepa is not an immediate upgrade on Onana.

    People are going way too over the top on the Onana criticism in my opinion. It's getting to Harry Maguire levels at this stage. He'd be 5th or 6th in terms of position on my list to replace and I suspect the club feels the same way given what we've heard so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,235 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Nick Cox in talks to go to Everton as technical director, he will be a huge loss to the academy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,070 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    True. I don't see us replacing him this summer. I think our next signing will be Mbeumo or a striker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,235 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Fixtures released today, no doubt our first 3 will be poxy!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,716 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    has been great for us over a few years now. if the reports are true, ineos should be offering payrise (maybe some sort of promotion) to keep hold of him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,716 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    it was leaked we're playing spurs 1st - lets see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,235 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Arsenal, City, Chelsea in the first 5 games.....Amorims sacked 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,716 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    arsenal (h), fulham (a), burnely (h), city (a), chelsea (h).

    tough opening fixtures. amorim (who should be on the backfoot anyway), will need to start with good results or will be under huge pressure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,566 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Sooner we get signings in the better - need a really good pre-season and hit the ground running.

    The Chelsea and City games could be ok to be fair, as they are going to be coming off a really long season and a really poor pre-season with the CWC (or at least they might be, if the players take their holidays). So we could be catching them at a good time fitness wise in the opening games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,716 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    pre-season starts in 3 weeks. no chance we have our signings in for that. cunha and mbeumo is the best we can hope for.

    barreda said yesterday that they will take their time with transfers - never great to hear.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Seattle


    It's a very difficult start but December and the beginning of January are about as favourable as you can get, which is good because it's the only period next season when we'll have a congested fixture list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,716 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    and will be without onana (if he stays), mbuemo (if he signs), maz, amad. so best time to have an easier run of fixtures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,992 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    You have play every team twice no matter what.

    Dont have problem with tricky start. We will either be good enough or not.

    No Europe so little excuses.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,949 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Why would you think we can't sign more than Mbeumo in 3 weeks?

    City wrapped up 4 players in a few weeks. Fair enough that's City with sacks of cash and greased wheels but your statement seems unnecessarily pessimistic.

    I think Mbeumo will be done and dusted this week going by the reports in the last day or so that Spurs have accepted defeat and United are down to the last few million of a difference in valuation.

    Given that those Mbeumo negotiations seem to have been ticking over in the background there's no reason not to think that we've also been discussing sales. Other teams will also want to have their players in for the start of pre season so I'd expect solid movement on Rashford, Garnacho, Sancho & Antony in the next 7-10 days too.

    When Berrada says no rush on transfers I think he just means we're not going to be stupid. Previous management would probably have had the first Mbeumo offer rejected and gone right back with £85m!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭FrankN1


    Yes but momentum is huge in sport. If the team lose the first 3 games. They will already know they are not going anywhere and it could get worse. With 5 easy games, that we managed to win. The confidence would be really high and players would believe we can challenge for top 4 etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,719 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Are you new to United transfer windows? We probably would have jumped back in with £85m but it wouldn't have been until the dying days of the window. We are champions of dithering. It normally takes us about 3-4 weeks to actually sign a player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,566 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I don;t thinkk we can get all in for the start of pre-season, but I absolutely think we should get Mbeumo sorted well before then, and we should have deals in decent disucssion for other players, pending sales.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,716 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    the tough start might focus the minds of the brains trust to get deals done early, lets see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Seattle


    The thing is, we can't really on the one hand demand that they stop overpaying in the market but on the other hand get deals done asap (which often means overpaying!). We all recognise that we've burned through a lot of cash over the last decade, so we need some discipline in the market. I would prefer to see them move quickly to #2 and #3 targets if they can't get their #1 targets at a value they deem reasonable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,715 ✭✭✭✭Zeek12


    Either Amorim hits the ground running in August (and gets backed by a good window this summer) or he'll come under severe pressure very quickly imo.

    That's quite a challenging opening month of fixtures.

    Even Fulham away is a tricky one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,067 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I don't care who comes in. It was supposed to be about getting time with the players on the training field and improving performance in the system. Heard that plenty.

    Well, here is a full pre season, loads of time for training. So let's see the improvement.

    Win or lose those early games against City/Chelsea/Liverpool doesn't really matter. To me it's about whether the shape and performance has improved or not. I want to see evidence of that right from the start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,566 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    But it shouldn't be extremes.

    City obviously wanted deals done for the CWC, but did they overpay on their signings?

    We are two weeks on from the first bid for Mbeumo being rejected - should it still be a case that we haven't got as far as making a second bid? Why can't they negotiate hard, but quicker?

    To be fair though, I think a large part of our inability to progress (properly) a third signing, if we consider Mbeumo to be the eventual second, is that we need some sales done first to free up the money - and it is more difficult to generate a market and bids for players than it is to make bids for players we want.

    I would also say the 'overspend' we are giving out about is spending 85m on Antony, a player the recruitment team ratered at sub 30m, or 70m for Hojlund when the club (apparently) valued him at 40. Its not paying 55+7.5 for Mbeumo when we value him at 55m.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,235 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Would anyone be happy with 2 wins and a draw from the first 5 games?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,566 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Not really, but if we played REALLY well in the other games maybe.

    I'd be hoping Draw, Win, Win, draw, draw/win.

    We need a result vs Arsenal, we need wins vs Fulham and Burnley, City i'd want a draw but an away loss isn't going to kill us (as long as we play well) and i'd want at minimum a draw vs Chelsea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,949 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Rudy Galetti (no idea how respected he is) reporting that Spurs have given up on Mbeumo because his mind is made up and he's going to United.

    So just a matter of time on that one and if true that he's not interested in other offers then that helps us in negotiations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,949 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    7 points from 5 games given that we finished last season with 4 points from 5 games, and since Chelsea, arsenal & city are in that first 5, I'd be OK with it. Maybe not happy, but just OK.

    But I think if we get 3 more signings in and shift the dead weight, we'll do better than that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭randd1


    Tough start? That's an understatement. The only way it could be tougher is if you swapped Liverpool and Newcastle for Burnley and Fulham.

    To be honest, given how poor we have been this season, I'd happily take two comfortable wins against Fulham and Burnley, and three single goal loss to City, and two draws against Arsenal and Chelsea. Or 8 points form 15. Not a great start by any means, but a solid one given the teams we're facing. And solid is something we need right now, be difficult to beat, don't lose at home and beat the teams we should be beating well (basically the opposite of this season).

    One thing we can't afford to do is lose 4 of the first five, and lose heavily. The next 5 games after that are Brentford, Sunderland, Liverpool, Brighton and Forest. Obviously Sunderland are just up and an unknown quality (although likely poor), but we've been poor against the other four for a while now. The Premier league is getting to a point where all games bar the promoted sides are tough games, and a poor start, well then the following five games become no easy task either.

    Amorim really needs to hit the ground running next season. If he doesn't, then quite literally, our league season could be done by Halloween.

    If that doesn't focus the board into getting a few more proven signings, I don't know what will. We're going to have to step it up a bit in the transfer market, and get the signings in early to prepare as much as possible. This dragging out of the Mbuemo signing stinks of past transfer windows, we need to have our ducks in a row as quickly as possible if we want to start the season with some results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭scottser


    Napoli are sniffing around Sancho. He's due 13m in wages; if we got 20m and bought out his contract we could just draw a line under the whole sorry saga.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,436 ✭✭✭✭Father Hernandez


    I don't think people are harsh enough in their criticism of Onana to be honest, maybe a Summer with Amorim changes that but he is categorially the worst keeper I've seen at United in my time watching them.

    He cost us getting knocked out of the Champions League last season. He nearly got us knocked out of the Europa League this season in the quarter final v Lyon after his stupid comments pre match. He has given up plenty of soft goals in the league, especially last season - Brighton, Ipswich, Forest perfect examples.

    He'd be up there with Hojlund as main priorities to replace this season. The fact that Inter sold him for £50million and replaced him with Sommer for £5million shows there is value in the market. Sommer is nothing special but he is absolutely an upgrade on Onana.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    Yeah, in tight games I just have no confidence in Onana.

    But the bigger issue is the defence have no confidence in him, which affects the way the defender are playing. They can't trust their keep to take the odd shot. They can't be sure of him on a cross. Those doubts feed out and create panic.

    Sometimes you can just see a player's time is done at a club and I think Onana is at that stage unfortunately



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