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Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Israel cannot afford a long way with Iran foreign investment in Israel is down 60 per cent in the last year .It does not have the bunker buster bombs that could destroy Iran's nuclear facilitys as they are deep underground Iran's missiles are getting thru even if most of them do not pass thru the iron dome .Drones are getting more advanced and cheaper to make .

    Itan is a ruled by religious fanatics it's not a democracy. All it had to do was pause it's nuclear program and this war would not have happened



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,426 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Russians attacking innocent civilians night after night with Iranian drones

    Does this make you feel better?

    Why would it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Because instead of condemning war crimes you chose to be pedantic in order to derail from today’s example of pure evil that Iranian regime is involved in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    Stop blaming Iran for Russian crimes and to distract from Israeli crimes.

    All 3 of these countries are awful, it is not an either/or situation, time to move beyond the simplistic black and white good guy/bad guy thinking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭circadian


    Shadow boxing again. No-one is ignoring Russia and its danger to Europe and litany of war crimes. You cannot look at the Israeli actions in a vacuum, nor can you look at the results in a vacuum and that includes the impact on the Russian effort.

    Do you know what would benefit Ukraine more? The weapons that are being shipped to Israel to bomb Gaza and Iran.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    That’s precisely what I’ve been trying to argue in this thread if you take time to actually read posts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    Who? PBP and Shinners? Sure they're a joke.

    No difference between Ukrainian, Russian, Gazan, Israeli or Iranian civilians in the real world. No single life is worth more or less than any other. Except to war mongers like Putin, Netanyahu and the Iranian leadership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,682 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    In 1979, the "tyranny" of the Shah was replaced by something far far worse, a religious dictatorship that has had the aim of wiping out Israel and the West and has repeatedly armed and financed terrorists to do so in the decades since while impoverishing and brutalising their own people.

    That you see that as an improvement over the regime of the Shah…….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Iran calling people names, vs israel actually genociding people. And you think Iran are in the wrong. Mother of god!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    The Shah was over thrown pretty quickly, the West wasn't ready for it.

    I agree though that Governments based on a religious idealogy whether it's Islam, Judaism, Christianity or an other Abrahamic religion end up being nuts.

    We only just got rid of it here in Ireland in the last 30 years, the scars of it will last 100's of years

    The mental thing is that these people all believe in the same God even though those that are educated know that there's no heaven or hell or everlasting life.

    It effectively just "Gangs", some of them are very well armed gangs



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Israel's censorship is cracking down big style with Haifa now on the list. Also a blackout is happening around Glilot following this mornings missile attack on the Mossad HQ and the Aman military intelligence logistic centre.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I don't think even religion is a key factor in any of it : Nazism and Communism (two of the most destructive ideologies in history) had nothing whatsoever to do with religion or God. It's mostly just bad people being bad people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Israel can be wrong and Iran can be wrong.

    Iran isn't just "calling people names". It's been targeting Israel for decades by funding proxies to cause death, destruction and instability across the region.

    Add the fact it's a crackpot fundamentalist regime that brutally represses its own people and has impoverished the country into the mix.

    If a prolific child abuser and a serial killer were fighting in an arena, would you try and paint one of them as the one to be cheered on or supported in any conceivable way?

    No you wouldn't, but that's what some people are doing here and it's driven by nothing but dislike of Israel and a wish to see Israel "punished" rather than any sense of logic or reasoning.

    Hating Israel, what it's doing, the fact it exists, or whatever else, is fine but it should have zero bearing on your perception of the Iranian regime as a terrible one that its own people despise and the world would be a better place without.

    The Iranian regime is no victim. It's the author of its own misfortune. Painting it as some innocent victim of Israeli warmongering or conflating it with what's happening in Gaza is completely disingenuous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    I agree that the Iranian regime is, well, bad — but I think there is still valid criticism to be made here and I don't think you can entirely un-conflate what Israel is doing in Iran with Gaza.

    The timing of this great strike against the repressive Iranian regime seems to oddly align somewhat with a global deterioration of patience and goodwill for Israel for its barbarities in Gaza, where even the goodwill of the US (whose support Israel relies on to effectively do whatever it wants to the Palestinians without consequence) was beginning to look shaky.

    If Israel is launching this war against Iran, and fanning the flames of wider regional instability and conflict, all because it's seeking a badly-needed PR boost and a few nods of "well, they're right about Iran" — that's not exactly something we should be enthusiastically lining up behind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,001 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    A very simplistic way of looking at it. Religion fuels the sectarianism which leads to these conflicts. Sure you don't even have to look passed the shores of this very island to see it in action. It's a story as old as history itself.

    The Jewish state of Israel exists as many Jews see it as their biblically decreed homeland. That's 100% religion playing a massive factor in the whole conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭combat14


    cyber warfare also at play:

    A cyber-attack on Tuesday crippled Sepah Bank, one of Iran’s main state-owned banks, according to Fars news agency, Agence France-Presse (AFP) reports.

    The agency said:

    A cyberattack targeted the infrastructure of Sepah Bank, causing disruptions to the institution’s online services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭Suckler


    In 1979, the "tyranny" of the Shah

    Why the use of quotation marks?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Trump has ordered the evacuation of Tehran… whats that about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,549 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    They can send in waves of suicide bombers, they can attack the oil infrastructure, they can do chemical and or biological attacks, cyber attacks etc.

    Iran are a big powerful country with a lot of resources and are allied with China and Russia. The warmongers and warhawks thought they'd be able to swoop in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and the Taliban, and decades later we're still dealing with the consequences of those wars

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The Troubles had nothing to do with religion or religious differences. It was 100% tribal and sectarian and about identity.

    The two biggest wars in history, WW1 and WW2, had no religious element whatsoever - what were the religious reasons for Germany invading Russia or Japan invading China?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,926 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Trump likely has inside knowledge of what the Israelis are secretly planning without the ability or decorum to keep it a secret so there could be something big coming soon

    He's also full of s#1t - so it could be nothing

    With Trump, either of the above scenarios is possible in equal measures



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    There is heavy media censorship going on, in Israel.

    They are downplaying any damage.

    Wasnt there some Mossad centre hit earlier today? Theres nothing about on MSM sources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,873 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Some might be of the view the world would be a better place without the current Israeli regime too. Likud, as you well know, has also supported proxies - including Islamic terrorists in the past. An ex mossad director admitted that Israel assisted Al Qaeda in an interview. Several past US and Israeli officials have also admitted that Likud in particular were happy to court islamists when it suited their agenda. Even Bibi himself admitted to funding isis linked Gangs in Gaza last week.

    So with all this in mind i wonder if Israel was attacked by another country would you also say it was the author of its own misfortune for its policies towards others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    At risk of going off on a tangent

    But both German Nazism and Russian Communism have by time WW2 started absorbed major elements of various religions and cults into their respective “isms”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Heavy media censorship is a bit overkill. Mainstream media, domestic and foreign, are free to report what they can see and they have been doing.

    Sky News for example are reporting a hit on a Mossad Centre last night but aren't allowed into the site, which is hardly surprising.

    The likes of TikTok are also filled with endless thousands of videos of Iranian missile attacks on Israel, filmed from within Israel, and outside Israel in the likes of Lebanon.

    Iran meanwhile there's only State TV, foreign media aren't allowed into the country, the internet is heavily restricted, and as a result there's far, far less content available - there is some, but minimal by comparison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    You think maybe Israel don't want Iran knowing what exactly was or wasn't hit?

    Israel are hardly going to advertise to Iran that you fired 5 missiles here and this is where they impacted, now go back and re-adjust the trajectory so you can hit it this time. Oh by the way those 2 AA launchers are damaged over there so don't go firing missiles in that direction. Also that runway is damaged for the foreseeable future, so don't go wasting missiles trying to hit it again.

    There is a claim made by Iran they hit a Mossad building, MSM is reporting Iran's claim. Iran can provide evidence to the MSM so they can report it as fact and not just a claim. You hardly expecting Israel to go doing Iran's homework do ya?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,426 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Of course I condemn war crimes, you are derailing by discussing the ongoing assault on Ukraine by Russia here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,873 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Your friend Jeffrey Sachs mentioned that the CIA have in the past kept presidents in the dark about operations. Given what you say about Donnie I'd say this is definitely happening alot with him. I doubt he was told well in advance about operation spider web inside Russia. That said his statement earlier that we can get more than a ceasefire may suggest he has given Bibi the go ahead to try and topple the Iranian regime. It wouldn't be a major surprise if we hear about the Ayatollah being targeted soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,001 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Ah come on now, you're just being disingenuous. Even the dogs on the street know the conflict in the north was based on sectarianism born of religious conflict.

    Not sure why you're bringing WW1 and WW2 into a discussion about the middle east by the way? I never said they had anything to do with religion. Not all wars have the same origins, that's not how conflict works.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Depends on how far you go back, the Normans arrived on the island in the 12th centry, William of Orange went to Protestant in 15(something)

    It was then that the divide really started to show as Catholics were then seen as 2nd class. (although irish would have be 1.5 class already, if that makes sense)

    But things began to spiral from that point on. Religion had a huge impact.

    @Strazdas is correct too though in that its bad people doing bad things.

    Ironically… Israel in the 60s and 70s was closer to Communisim than Russia ever was. There was a lot of people in the US at the time that questioned an alliance with Israel as at the time it looked Very Very communist.



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