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Claiming from seller after closing

  • 11-06-2025 05:08PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6


    Looking for some advice on where to go.

    We just closed on a house and received keys yesterday. Done the walkthrough the evening beforehand- sellers were still moving out however all appeared in order so instructed solicitor to release funds and we collected keys the following morning.

    On entering the property we discovered that after the walkthrough the sellers pulled the ceiling lights from the roof in all the rooms- this left large holes (much larger than the footprint of the lights) in the ceiling and exposed live wires in all the rooms. In doing so they blew the fuse so there was no lighting to the house.

    In one of the rooms they had both a wall-mounted TV and strobe lighting which they ran the wires through the walls. In both cases they simply pulled the wires through the walls and so now we have large linear holes in the plasterboard. In both cases they also left exposed live wires.

    We had an electrician out today to make it all safe and took photos beforehand.

    Looking to see people’s opinions on whether this contravenes vacant possession and have they heard anything similar about how buyers got this remedied? The emergency electrician already cost a lot and it’ll be substantial cost to fix the ceilings. I think more importantly it was an immediate fire/safety danger leaving exposed wires in the property



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭dennyk


    You won't get anything for a hypothetical "the place could have caught fire, but it didn't…", but you could certainly pursue them for the cost of repairing the damage they caused, and possibly also for the cost of replacing those items which were fixtures or fittings like the ceiling lights (though probably not the TV), which generally should have been included in the sale unless your contract specifically said otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,494 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Get onto your solicitor and ask quickly. You may be able to delay some of the funds being processed until it's sorted (likely too late but there are daily limits in place for transfers).

    Also contact the selling agent about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,591 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I've never understood why people do this. A friend of mine was viewing a house where the owners had taken out the alarm system and also removed some decking to take to their new house

    The house they were selling looked awful as a result, wasn't even what you'd call a surgical removal with bits of the alarm left everywhere

    They probably saved €1-2k on their new house and cost themselves €5k on their old one. Some top notch economics there

    I get that people generally don't have a lot of free cash to spare after moving but this just makes no sense to me

    Anyway OP, sounds like your seller was a bit smarter and waited until the ink was dry before raiding the copper

    You should definitely speak to your solicitor, however I think they typically pay extra for a same day bank transfer so the money might be gone. They might be able to put some sort of hold on it

    Also, I should probably ask the tricky question, but are you sure it was the seller who took out the wiring? If the house was vacant for a while then someone could have broken in to rob the wiring

    My guess is that it was the seller given the timing, but it might be worth straight up asking them or the agent about it

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 B128


    Thanks for all the advice!


    Definitely the seller. Estate agent was a bit annoyed during the walkthrough that they hadn’t finished moving out. Walkthrough was at 5PM and we got the keys the following morning. Have emailed both solicitor and estate agent- the latter predictably just said to deal with our solicitor so will see how it goes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭deandean


    I also have heard of this carry-on 3 or 4 times. The only conclusion I reach is that the seller is 'pi$$ing on the property' out of badness, for whatever reason.

    It happened me, once, in the 1990s when half the kitchen units were pulled out.

    Next house I purchased I insisted on inspecting the house on the morning of closing.

    Best wishes OP, put it behind you, maybe your solicitor can recover some money but it won't be much.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,692 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    That’s pure spite, no two ways about it.

    Wouldn't surprise me if it was tenants being turfed out and taking one last parting shot on the way out — pulling live wires and wrecking walls isn’t your average “oops, forgot the light fitting” situation. That’s someone saying, “Screw you” on their way out the door.

    The sad thing is it doesn’t hurt the seller in the end — it just lands on the poor buyer who trusted the process. Hope you absolutely chase them for every cent through the solicitor. No excuse for that kind of carry-on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭paul71


    He clearly said it was the seller no tenants involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,692 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    If you’re going to police the thread, Paul, at least do it properly — nowhere is it stated that there were no tenants involved.

    The OP said the sellers were still moving out — that doesn’t rule out tenants, house-sharers, or random hangers-on clearing out at the last minute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭paul71


    He said "Definitely the seller. Estate agent was a bit annoyed during the walkthrough that they hadn’t finished moving out. Walkthrough was at 5PM and we got the keys the following morning."

    Seller moving out - no tenant.

    If you are going to fake a pretence to be clever, try learning to read first.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,494 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Ring and talk to your solicitor, don't rely on email.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    It sounds like they stole fixtures and fitting which you paid for. Along with damaging your property. Had a tenant do something similar ripping shelves he put up which were worth may euro30 but did 100s in damage. People wonder why we don't like tenants altering properties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,692 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Bang on, this is exactly why I mentioned tenants. Some of them treat the place like a personal grudge match the minute they’re told to leave. It’s not about what they take — it’s about how much hassle they can cause on the way out.

    The OP’s story has that exact stink off it: wires ripped out, walls damaged, no effort to clean up. That’s not a seller moving house — that’s someone pissed off and making a statement. And anyone who’s dealt with a bad tenant knows that pattern all too well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    No some sellers are just nasty. One house I bought had a gas cooker taken out with the gas pipe just left open. They took all the light bulbs too. There was also a pile of rubbish in the back garden and the attic was full of stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 B128


    Thanks for all the advice everyone. To clarify yes it was the seller, not tenants. This was among some other defects that arose after our walkthrough

    • They removed the shower heads and hoses. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things
    • They pulled the curtain railings from the walls leaving massive holes and breaks in the plasterboard
    • They removed the radiator from the wall in one of the rooms and seem to have broke it at the pipes so leaking all over the living room. Again our photos from walkthrough show the radiator fixed to the wall


    We’ve focused mainly on the ceiling plaster defects and exposed live wires with the solicitor as these are the biggest issues



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Don't ignore the radiator and water damage in any way. Some radiator are very expensive and installation have fair costs. They effectively broke your entire heating system. It must have had some value for them to do that. These people seem unhinged. What has your solicitor said?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,494 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Could also go to the garda about destruction of your property.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭CiboC


    This sounds like bizarre vindictive behaviour, I wouldn't be letting it go if I were you...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,400 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    do you really believe they’d have. A case? The OP only owned the house from the time that the money landed in the vendors account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭Hontou


    This is disgraceful behaviour from the vendor. Surely your contract has been broken by this nonsense. Fixtures and fittings are included unless stated otherwise, is my opinion from what my own estate agents have told me over the years. Get all photos of all damage caused by removal of fixtures, get an estimate of damage costs by a builder and an estimate of replacement costs for light fittings, curtain poles and the radiator and get your solicitor to send them a letter. Do not let it go. The small claims court could be another route without increasing your own legal fees.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    I agree, its more likely tenants that did this because they had to leave. Normally reasonable people just pack up and clear out and get another house share. These are not reasonable times. Its near impossible for people renting to buy and its driving people craxy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,901 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    You can't take an individual to the Small Claims Court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 B128


    Just discovered more live wires loose hidden in the kitchen. Sinking money into emergency repairs 🥲



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭893bet


    bizzare behaviour from the sellers. What a pack of ****.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 B128


    Solicitor replied today to say that we have no case as we did the walkthrough the evening before closing and that we should’ve done it the morning of closing when sellers completely moved out.

    I would’ve thought that the timing of walkthrough is irrelevant. The sellers own the home right up until closing so there would be nothing to stop them trashing the place after a walkthrough even if it was done just hours before closing? To me it’s also irrelevant to removal of fixtures, no electricity and exposed live wires which I would’ve thought is breach of contract



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,322 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    At what point can you stick your own security company in there to protect the place?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    That is terrible to hear but maybe ask another solicitor to be sure because that doesn't sound right. I wouldn't have though what "fixture and fitting" is changes dependent on when you saw the property last.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,248 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    You're asking for trouble by doing a final walk through before the owners have moved out.

    Let them move out, then do the final walk around the next day. If you're happy phone your solicitor and get the funds released right there. You should get the keys fairly fast after that.

    That said taking radiators and light fittings off the wall is taking the piss. Talk to another solicitor and see if they can help you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I would certainly get other legal advice as fixture and fittings has a legal definition and what has been described is definitely the removal of fixtures consider to be part of the property. Fitting on the other hand is a little vaguer but there is a part which states the removal doesn't cause any damage which apparently it did. I would suspect the lawyer doesn't want to do anything because they will probably not get any more pay as this is covered by their fees already.

    OP read what it says about fixtures and fittings in the documents you were given. If I was selling my home I would exclude certain items from the fittings but would state that a fitting replacement would be there. Mostly because they are worth a lot of money and I couldn't afford to replace them as I was lucky to get them for the prices I found them at.



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