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Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,653 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Yeah, you have relentlessly pursued a whatabout strategy across multiple threads against me. I will continue to ignore it and ask the hard questions regarding the current thread.

    Why is your hatred of Israel so visceral that you end up defending the Iranian regime?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Where I was or anyone else since 1979 is irrelevant. Just like asking you where you where since 1979.

    As I posted:

    Of course, none of that justifies/excuse Iran (or any other regime) for the abhorrent treatment of innocent people. But if you think Israel is squeaky clean, guess again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    That’s what happens when the rules based world order is replaced by “multi-polar” world with “spheres of influences”

    US no longer wants to be the world policeman and is turning into Trumpistan, China and India doing their own thing, Russia Iran and North Korea busy **** around and Israel demolishing Gaza

    While here in Europe we are not strong enough to do much about all these dumpster fires and just tut tut from the sidelines while Iranian drones attack European cities every night

    Eitherway **** the Iranian regime, it’s hard to have sympathy for them after all they done to the Persian people and outside of Iran



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,653 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Iran is the greater evil, and the greater threat to Western civilisation.

    Anyone can see that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    Israelis just can't get enough of war



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I'd reckon no more than a couple of pages of people "moaning" on the Gaza thread. Most pages are "moaning" about the murders of upwards of140,000 women and children with a lot more body bags about to pile up with the emaciated bodies of those starved to death.

    Presumably you'll be posting about people "moaning" about Israeli casualties - you know, for consistency.

    But good for you that you're "extra amused" about concern for people being killed and maimed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    I am amused at the hypocrisy of the Russian bots they have no issues with apartment blocks and cities being destroyed and even regularly posts proudly updates of creeping Russian advances

    Yet now suddenly developed “concerns”

    As for the Israelis they gone barking mad, but that fact doesn’t make Iranian regime as the “good guys”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Well, up until a few days back, all I can see is that the situation in Iran was calm. Then Israel launched their unprovoked attacks.

    Who the greater evil is (Iran or Israel) is pure opinion.

    I'd say its Israel - they've demonstrably shown they are well capable of numerous War Crime atrocities and Genocide.

    Anyone can see that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israelis have gone barking mad - yet you characterise those posts calling out the supply of weapons to Israel as "moaners"?

    That you're amused by anything to do with conflict where innocents are dying and that posters are "moaning" about it could also be construed as "barking mad" of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    I amused by the hypocrisy on the far left, yes

    US and Germany supply weapons and we get pages and pages of moaning about it, as that’s all we can do in Ireland about it

    Iran and North Korea supply weapons and men and we get mental gymnastics trying to justify this and paint Iranian regime as the good guys

    Yes these gymnastics are funny



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,110 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Ori Goldberg (Jewish Israeli academic living in Tel Aviv) makes this point repeatedly. War and violence is now part of their national psyche - they are addicted to it and probably can't even conceive of an Israeli identity where the country was at peace with its neighbours. It's like another form of imperialism, but with a Zionist twist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Why not condemn the killing of Irish peacekeepers. You have rightly condemned the IRA for killing Irish soldiers but defend Israel when it dies so.
    Why?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    Peace through war.....

    Another Israeli Minister saying civilians in Tehran will pay the price. Lovely.

    What a putrid outlook. Two fundamentalist regimes going at it. My religion is better than yours....As the orange one might say, 'sad'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,427 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I am no military expert but I have always thought this (a kind of all out war with Iran) is very dangerous and risky for Israel to do without USA directly involved as well and am bit surprised it's happened.

    Iran is a large and populous country a long way away from Israel with a decent industrial/military base. Does Israel have airpower to destroy it alone? Don't know.

    To listen to Bibi's boasts of the might of Israel (sets me thinking of Clinton's supposed comment about his arrogance in meetings when he was a younger man and his tendency to lecture - "who's the f-cking superpower here!") and his silly calls to Iranians to rise up etc. (followed by how their capital city is going to "burn" - presumably the bomb fires will somehow avoid the brave people he's calling on to rise up!)…he really does seem to think he is some kind of man of destiny or a messiah for the ME and Israel, which is terrifying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    Classic case of the abused who grows up to be a violent abuser themselves, taking revenge on others for what was done to them in the past. When what they really need is years of therapy. A particularly tragic case but the current behaviour is still despicable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Good article from Ori Goldberg here

    https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2025/6/15/the-real-reason-israel-attacked-iran

    "So, what drove the attack? Amid the genocidal campaign in Gaza, Netanyahu is very much aware that his government is running out of options. The international community, as well as regional allies, have started to criticise Israel vocally. Some have also been preparing to carry out unilateral measures, like the mass recognition of a Palestinian state.

    The International Criminal Court’s warrant of arrest for Netanyahu is looming, and the decision of the International Court of Justice about the legality of Israel’s occupation is waiting to be fulfilled. Israel and its military have continuously carried out massacres, denied them, and have been found to be lying.

    There is no doubt that Netanyahu planned the strike on Iran for years, waiting for just the right time. This time came on Friday. It is a desperate attempt to rally the world behind Israel, just as preparations are made to deny it the absolute impunity it has enjoyed since its creation."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,547 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It is far more likely that a despotic regime would conduct a biological or chemical weapons attack if it finds itself cornered and facing annihilation.

    Iran and their regime are not suicidal, they have been restrained in their dealings with Israel because they know that they are outgunned and would come out the worst in any prolonged engagement. They are fighting back now, because the threats against them are existential, and you can be sure that if they manage to repel the Israeli attacks, they will accept a ceasefire. But if Israel look like they are going to collapse the regime, there is no telling what extremes they will go to, and this is where the danger lies.

    Overthrowing the Iranian regime through assassinations and bombs from 15 kilometers in the air does not mean that whatever comes after the ayatollah will be any better for the people of Iran, or for international peace and security than what is there now. In fact, it would be much more likely to result in a civil war and the emergence of an even more extreme regime regime or become a failed state like Syria and Somalia and Iraq.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,653 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Set up a thread about murdered Irish peacekeepers if it is that important to you, and don't forget to include Pte. Rooney in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,653 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Tell me you don't understand the Middle East conflict without telling me you don't understand the Middle East conflict.

    The situation in Iran appeared to be calm, but they were working away through their proxies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    It is important to condemn the killing of Irish peacekeepers. Why won’t you condemn their killing?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,653 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Not at all. One has no credibility and no business condemning any attacks by any party on an Irish discussion forum while defending the killing of Irish peacekeepers.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,970 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Are you referencing a death from 1987 as some sort of 'gotcha!' in a thread about current global events?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Iranian drones attack European cities every night?

    Sorry….. what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    every single night hundreds of Iranian drones and missiles are raining across Ukraine

    A country that never done anything negative towards Iran



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,557 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Russian use of Iran manufactured drones (though they are built in Russia these days) in Ukraine; which by the same token (that the user ignored) means Sweden & Germany attacks Russia every day as well as they provided hardware and ammunition to Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I am pointing out the hypocrisy of posters who will only condemn the killing of Irish soldiers depending on who killed them. If the IRA killed then it is abomination to be condemned. If Israel killed them it is to be defended.
    It is inevitable that in a discussion about a recent Israeli attack, previous Israeli attacks will be mentioned.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,427 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Well, he's correct. It may have disappeared from Irish news somewhat but there is a very big war going on in Ukraine, actually much more serious and relevant to us here, than what is happening in the ME.

    Iran provided a large number of Shahed drones to Russia and sent "advisors" to train them up on them and transferred the technology so Russia could mass manufacture them.

    They have been a useful weapon that came through in tight spot and filled a gap for Russia. They have caused a lot of damage and killed a lot of people.

    Russia bombards cities in Ukraine with 10s - 100s of these drones every night to try and overwhelm their air defences.

    Not sure what Ukraine did to Iran to deserve this really, but I suppose it was just "business", or maybe it was giving the US a bloody nose indirectly (because it was supporting Ukraine at the time - since reversed under Trump) or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji



    Neither Sweden nor Germany have started the largest war in Europe since WW2 with double the casualties now than there are Palestinians in world

    However both Iran and North Korea are providing arms and men to fight here in Europe in 2025 adding to this mountain of dead and wounded



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    I hear these Russian lads are totally trustworthy

    Iran should immediately hand over all its uranium and any nuclear bombs

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/16/russia-putin-iran-uranium-nuclear-weapons-israel/



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