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Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Iran may have special forces in Israel engaging military targets - they aren't terrorists. Likewise Israeli special forces in Iran.

    Indeed, I don't think Israel have the capacity or munitions (yet) to hit deep underground facilities like Fordow and parts of Netanz.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    That's true but how long will the Israeli people keep backing Bibi and Likud when the missiles continue raining down on them and killing people? Bibi is walking a tightrope here, and bear in mind as soon as he is out of power he is very likely going to jail. I have a sneaking suspicion that is why he is starting all these conflicts: as long as Israel is at war he stays in power and is safe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    It was a leading light in moving towards democracy too. Only American oil interest didn't like the result of a left wing Government so it toppled that, installed the Shah and they ended up with the Mullahs.

    Then the USA backed the saddam regime to invade Iran.

    So its probably more of a view of the west v Iran rather than the other way around.

    I'd like both the Iranian and Israeli regimes toppled tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm surprised nonetheless that people think it will be relatively easy for Israel to 'degrade' or 'disable' Iran militarily. Iran is a huge country in size, bigger than Turkey, Egypt or Saudi Arabia. Far from a given that Netanyahu will be able to declare himself a victor here without outside support and take Iran out of the equation as a player in the region - and the longer this conflict goes on, the dicier things get for Israel.

    Many a country has started a war and seriously underestimated their opponent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭Homelander


    From Israel's point of view this is a conflict to ensure a fundementalist regime that's threatened Israel with extermination for decades does not get access to weapons of mass destruction.

    Just how credible or real that threat is, is for others to debate, but it's also not completely pulled out of thin air either.

    In that context, the vast majority of Israelis would support action against Iran and I can't see that changing much given how weak Iran is and how one-sided this conflict is in reality.

    Behind the scenes Iran is probably scrambling to reach a deal. They are in an extremely dire situation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Israel is a democracy with elections every 4 years (although it's usually sooner than that due to coalition breakdowns or stalemates). Iran is a theocratic autocratic regime with some democratic window dressing. It's up to the Israelis if they want to "topple" Netanyahu, elections are next year. Iranian people have little or no choice (except to pick the least hardline candidate).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,316 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    https://icct.nl/publication/iranian-external-operations-europe-criminal-connection

    Given how thorough those bastions of freedom have been in Tehran with elimination of any opposition worldwide (or any important Jews they can kill) I'm not sure there is any opposition ready to go in the event of a collapse of the regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭Homelander


    But they've already heavily degraded them.

    A foreign air force operating over your country with relative impunity 2,000km from their own borders says it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    Anyone suggesting Israel bit off more than they can chew here is delusional, this is a horribly one sided conflict with only one winner.

    And if push comes to shove America will get involved, they may not want to or like it but if Israel do somehow get into any difficulty here we all no America will intervene to bail them out, they absolutley will not let Israel fail their support for them is unequivocal, it always has been and it'll never change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    If Israel want to finish Iran they must put boots on the ground, the chances of that happening are miniscule, unless Bibi has gone completely off the reservation. Why do you think he has been trying to persuade the US to invade Iran for decades? He realises it is a fool's errand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 237 ✭✭strathspey


    This is brilliant news, if verified. This should bring Iran to heel!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    ”Most Israelis”. Again, as in many other aspects of life in Israel, there is inequality. Jewish areas have more and better maintained shelters than non Jewish areas. It just reflects the reality that Jewish lives are more valued in the Israeli state than non Jewish lives.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    For how long though? Nothing to stop Iran from regrouping and rebuilding what has been lost. This is still a huge gamble by Netanyahu. If he's counting on regime change in Tehran, what happens if this does not occur and in a few weeks time they're still there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Do you believe Israel has ever committed an act of terrorism?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    He reneged on the last ceasefire to save his political skin. By reinstating his new best mate (and convicted terrorist, Ben-Gvir) he got the budget passed. The payoff for Ben-Gvir's vote was to recommence the Gaza Genocide.

    He has still not had the hostages released either - Israelis know the only method of returning the hostages is to negotiate - the ceasefires have been the only time significant numbers of hostages have returned home.

    The current Govt. is also at risk of falling because some do not want their particular voters to do military service.

    Added to all this is him delaying justice in charges of corruption against him - and having his external travel severely restricted or face spending time with Duterte in The Hague awaiting a trial for War Crimes.

    Finally, how much is their current campaign going to cost - Israel with Gaza alone is on the hook for billions over the next few decades. Add on a few more billion for the campaign against Iran and Israel will be a third world bankrupt country (unless they get bailed out of course).

    It's not just any old tightrope, it's a razor thin tightrope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Oh fantastic, the Middle East can be radioactively contaminated so Netenyahu can stay out of jail and Israel can continue to burn children to death. Yippee.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    It may not change in the short term but it will change. Israel is not going to be backed unconditionally by the US forever.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    These are only 5000lb bunker busters, Israel have already been using them, it's nothing new. It's probably just a fresh delivery or them.

    They really need the larger 30,000lb but that's delivered by the B2 bomber, which is why they really need the US to step in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    One person's terrorist is another person's special forces-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Big opposition to this, even among the MAGA crowd. Trump's manifesto was that he would not get involved in overseas wars.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭combat14


    strikes now in east of iran:

    The Israeli military said it struck an aerial refuelling aircraft at Mashhad Airport in eastern Iran on Sunday, Reuters reports.

    The Israeli army added that the strike was its longest-range attack since launching operations against Iran last week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,835 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Car bombs in Tehran? Hard to work out what the fcuk is actually going on?

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭combat14


    reports of israeli attacks on ministry of justice, police head quarters and area near iranian airforce headquarters looks like they are busy today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭Freight bandit


    Will Probably expect it's poodles The US,France and the UK to get involved....makes you wonder what hold they have over these "democratic" bastions.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,835 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm wondering what Israel's 'out' from all this is if they don't succeed in toppling the Iranian government. They clearly don't want any sort of a nuclear deal or negotiated settlement with Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭combat14


    at present completely destroying irans nuclear programme



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭thamus doku


    These are my own thoughts and how I see it playing out.

    If this keeps escalating we are looking at all out war with the all key players in the Middle East including America and NATO.

    And if nato shows any weakness in the Middle East, Russia will invade Eastern Europe.

    and then Europe which has been weak for decades will have a choice , go to war or capitulate.


    dark times ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I don't think Iran is that stupid to attack UK or US bases directly. Iran gains nothing from that and looses everything.

    Russia is already invading eastern Europe!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,835 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Iran does not appear to have any control over its skies.

    This is game over for Iran unless China or Russia choose to get involved. Israel can just pick away at them operating over Iraqi airspace.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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