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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,962 ✭✭✭straight


    You are a very bad judge of character in that case. But sure if your a big fan of the blight lad I guess it all makes sense. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,588 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    "If you talk to animals,

    they will talk with you and you will know each other.

    If you do not talk to them you will not know them

    and what you do not know you will fear.

    What one fears one destroys."

    Julia Wright.

    I always say hello to the cows when I bring them in for milking. I say hello to the heifers too. Calves as well. I think we better understand each other all round then and there's no fear on either side then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭older by the day


    You may be right Dr Dolittle but, it ain't going to help our housing crisis or healtcare crisis at the moment.

    Surely it would be only right to check their passports and find out have they committed crimes in the past,

    Surely be to fuuck, no one can agree with paying billions to business men to house all these people. Send any one with no identification straight back to where his flight or boat or bus came from



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Our housing crisis is entirely caused by our own politicians and institutions. Irish people with self serving vested interests.

    Immigration is an issue but if people got as worked up about the real issues, health and housing would be solved a lot quicker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,588 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    It's a sad day when you can't post a quote of a book one is starting to read about farming in a chitchat thread on a farming forum without someone thinking this has to do with foreign people in Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭older by the day


    I taught you were on about tolerance between sides. I apologise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Surely you can see a big increase in population needs more housing and health care, and money.

    We can see now they want to grab the money out of the next round of CAP to spend on immigration. Don't let people be crying on here here in a few years because their payments are slashed, you were warned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Suckler


    But you're again pinning all those issues on immigration and also asserting that those coming in are a simple drain on the economy. It doesn't work like that, but those who are keeping the housing crisis/health sector crisis in play are damn glad the focus continues to be on immigrants. It's been played out all over the world before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    Immigrants are only adding to the housing crisis and health sector crisis .Waiting list growing to just actually see a gp yet all the immagrants will all put in claim for medical cards .

    The procedure by a hell of alot of immagrants who have a visa is work a few weeks to get a public service card the next step then is jobseekers allowance ,claim for hap if they are renting and claim for medical card.

    How is it you dont understand or dont want to believe this scam is happening week in week out up and down the country.There is even facebook pages dedicated in several different languages flaunting the steps to claim jobseekers allowance,claim for medical card ,claim for didability! and claim for housing assistance!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,049 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Rang gp for an appointment, next available date 30th june. Go to out of hours doctor that evening or a and e. I was told. So we went to a and e, appointment wasn't for oh. I'd like to think if I was looking for an appointment for him I'd get it quicker than that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Immigrants are only adding to the housing crisis and health sector crisis.

    Completely incorrect. Even in the health sector - 25% nurses are immigrants / 40% doctors from abroad and of those recently appointed ('23 I think) 25% were from outside the EU.

    We need houses built yet we don't have the numbers to build them; we're again reliant on immigration to fill the gaps. Since the crash there's been fewer and fewer Irish going in to construction - how do you expect all these new houses to be built?

    In hospitality and food services; how many Irish do you now see working the counters? It's practically all immigrants.

    Waiting list growing to just actually see a gp yet all the immagrants will all put in claim for medical cards .

    Again; you're pointing the finger at the immigrants without recogniisng how much we need/rely on them and painting them as a pure drain on the services. Because they have a card doesn't mean they have to be taken on. This misconception has been trotted out time and time again but it's plainly wrong. There is simply no obligation.

    Also you're simply blaming immigration without looking at all at those who have set up the health system to operate with these stress points.

    The procedure by a hell of alot of immagrants who have a visa is work a few weeks to get a public service card the next step then is jobseekers allowance ,claim for hap if they are renting and claim for medical card.

    A "hell of a lot" is something you've come up with. And is again just your misguided anger. You've never shown the same anger towards Irish who've done the same or less and area greater drain on society.

    How is it you dont understand or dont want to believe this scam is happening week in week out up and down the country.

    I understand it, you are guided on prejudice and anger.

    It's simplistic language that we've seen even repeated in this thread multiple times on "illegal immigrants" and "illegals voting" - neither of them have the same meaning in the Irish context yet we've grifters who will push them as the same issue.

    There is even facebook pages dedicated in several different languages flaunting the steps to claim jobseekers allowance,claim for medical card ,claim for didability! and claim for housing assistance!!

    I'm sure there are. Facebook isn't real life though. Tarring all with the same brush is not the answer. There's plenty of scams involving Irish people online and otherwise but you wouldn't accept us all being treated as the same would you. How many facebook groups show farming abuses and abuses of the system; should we all then be labelled as animal abusing scam artists?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭carrollsno1


    Theres not many on here i would imagine would bring in cattle onto their place bar they've the two tags, the blue card, movement cert and be in date of a TB test.

    Better living everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Can I just ask, where do you think the tens of thousands of IPAs they're stuffing into hotels will be in 5 years time? We cannot build enough houses to match those coming in, plain and simple.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,049 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Is there no gaa on normal tv this evening?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭Danny healy ray


    the camera work on gaa go would give you a reeling in the head



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Similar to where they are now and similar to what generations of low pay, low skilled workers have had to endure before; they’ll be forced to rent in 4 to a room situations. And that’s if half those hotels ever reopen as functioning hotels again.
    But We can’t build enough houses for ourselves without immigration, construction/health/F&B/hospitality would collapse tomorrow if we simply told the immigrants to turn around and go home. And that’s across educated/skilled/nonskilled.
    Then what we do? Where do we think these workers will come from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,350 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I was in a hotel with work all last week. Down the corridor to me there was was interviews for nurses. There wasn't one irish or white woman applying for the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭carrollsno1


    My sisters white and Irish and working in a local hotel with the 10 years as are a good few other locals. i take it youre not out and about in Kilkenny much are you? Most shops, bars, eateries ive been to lately have mostly irish staff the same with the supermarkets the gym and most other places i frequent.

    Went to Meubles for the breakfast this morning the three staff I had any interaction with were white irish as were the staff in circle K and the supervalu in a neighbouring county this evening.

    Better living everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,350 ✭✭✭kk.man


    This wasn't in in kilkenny and wasn't an interview for hotel staff. I'm not anti immigrants I'm just stating a point Whelan2 is bringing up about our health service which is basically held together by immigrants.

    I bought furniture in meubles recently and can concur with your observation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭limo_100


    Very true a lot of the real pressure is not getting applied to the government to solve the real problems there's getting away with it because everyone is latching onto what the right wing media want to talk about immigration all started with trump and farage and now coming over here. its well known that a lot of the protests in Dublin are organised by the drug gangs to distract the gardai so they can move large quantities of drugs I work near coolack and with a lot of people from there so I have fairly reliable information.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,187 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Absolutely the housing crisis is caused by a lack of will to get things done and not immigration. We have 80 thousand vacant houses in the country and 20 thousand gone into short term lets rather than rented as homes.

    If we banned short term lets in the morning these homes would be sold or come back into stock as home rentals. They tell us farmers what we can or can’t do with our farms so this is no different.

    increase supports to renovate vacant homes. It’s good and it’s working but could be easier, we should have stage payments needing all the cash up front is limiting people without funds or access to credit

    Properly act on derelict properties in our towns and cities. Apply the existing tax on them to the letter of the law. Increase this tax if it isn’t enough.

    So we have the capacity to fix this problem but not the will to do it. We’re not approaching this like a proper crisis.

    Blaming immigration is lazy at best or more likely narrow minded racism. If you read the facts above on housing and still think it’s related to immigration then it’s likely you’re just a racist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,049 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Happy fathers day to all the daddies and thinking of those whose dad's are no longer with us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,132 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    You do all that and it will open the floodgates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭green daries


    Thanks whelan hopefully ye have a good trouble free one in yere camp today (think ye have a couple of generations of dads there) 👨 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Immigration has nothing to do with the housing crisis n it's racist to suggest otherwise- is that an April fool joke? The multinationals haven't added a single job the last 2 years n won't this year, thankfully the refugee industry is flying it.

    When the corporation tax dries up will our kids stick around to pay for it after finishing college?

    From article below -Ireland isn’t just registering its highest ever population growth, or the highest growth of any European country in 2023, we are setting records for some of the largest population growth events in history,” he said

    https://m.independent.ie/business/multinationals-jobs-boom-stalls-with-no-increase-in-last-two-years/a423807102.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,049 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    It's a funny type of a day, normally fathers day breakfast in bed as a treat. He gets breakfast in bed everyday now. The stuff you'd normally buy him on fathers day he cant/doesnt use anymore. But he's here so that's the main thing. My mam sick and is in casualty atm. So have to look after my own dad too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Asus1


    Anyone know of anybody in Kildare with quad and wiper to do a few fields of rushes pm me if you don't want to put up their number.Im going crazy looking at the rushes every time I go into field,thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,285 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Denmark have a rule re undocumented migrants, along with extremely low social welfare rates for the above, a bit of tweaking by our own government like the below rule would stem the flow almost overnight...

    Theirs a industry after been built around it now though that's making alot of money for certain individuals so the gravy trian won't be stopped anytime soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 722 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    Looking for similar ( quad and wiper ) around Ennis .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,687 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy


    Got 6 nofence collars for free as part of a trial along with 15 other farmers in the burren. Be interesting to see how they work out.

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