Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

A bnb owner explains the offer he got for his 6 bedrooms, unreal figures 62k a month for accommodation alone. Very telling question at the end from him- where does it end? It ends in tears when the corporation tax that is being squandered dries up, it's a case of when not if nowadays.

Mod Edit: Warned for ignoring mod instructions regarding anecdotes - yes this also applies to random unverifiable twitter/X accounts

https://gript.ie/kilcock-shalom-no-longer-ipas-consideration/

I see the department have pulled the offer to use the Shalom nursing home in Kilcock. More and more communities are standing up to the government and aren't afraid to speak out.

What about countries that have very few IPAS ye

@ArthurDayne wrote: "That doesn't mean you have to accept immigration — not at all — it just means you have to accept that you're part of the reason it exists. What you do with that reality is entirely up to you, but it's worth pondering now and again when people blame everyone but themselves for the fact immigration happens."

Of course migration is partly due to freely available fast and convenient travel options. That is why we are supposed to have checks at borders to make sure those entering the country are authorised. Hard to know what your point is here.

Chief Superintendent Aidan Minnock, the Head of GNIB, states that "the vast majority" of AS are actually economic migrants.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/1230/1488432-migrant-gnib/

It surprises me that when the key Garda at the heart of the process confirms that "the vast majority" of AS are bogus, people in SF, SocDems, Green Party, etc. continue to speak and act as if all AS are genuine.

I also can't understand that as "the vast majority" of the 180,000 AS who have applied over the last twenty years are not genuine, then why or how are they still here?

Irish bars 🤔 very odd comment.

Irish bars all around the world so just suck up the unsustainable numbers coming here. There’s Italian restaurants all around the world too. By the same logic they should be going to Italy

Grand. Tell me where I said anything was an acceptable trade off. You won't be able to, because I didn't say it.

As for calling people hypocrites for not wanting to ban air travel — I specifically said I also think immigration has been too high, but I also enjoy international travel. So I don't think it's hypocritical and I'm not sure how I can be any clearer.

But again, going back to the actual point I made, is that the world being more open than ever before is largely a creation of things we want, things we demand and things we avail of as regards the safe and easy ability to traverse the planet. The Right enjoys these things and avails of things just as much as the Left does — and so the Right is actually also in favour of a certain degree of relative openness of borders.

So no, it is not hypocritical to oppose immigration but also want to travel. What is hypocritical, is blaming the Left exclusively for the creation of a relatively open world — an openness which has beyond debate made international migration easier — when the Right is also in favour of that world.

That doesn't mean that the Right and Left don't differ over what you actually do with migrants when they arrive in your country — it just means that the Right doesn't tend to seriously oppose the things that allowed those migrants to get there in the first place. So they too have to be willing to accept their own moral responsibility too.

Italy is full of immigrants to-

Do U think they just come to Ireland-?-

You mentioned Irish bars,what has this thread got to do with Irish bars?btw you should try to stay on topic, this thread is not about Irish emigration.

You would have a point if ease of modern travel was the only enabling factor. For example, if there was no such thing as border control then you could argue what I believe you are arguing, that we have have to accept a certain amount of unwanted migration in return for the ease and affordability of modern travel. The right are hypocritical because they want one without the other…etc.

This is obviously not true as you yourself have acknowledged. There are many ways to control inward migration without rolling back on travel improvements over the years and many countries exercise this control effectively today. But were it true, you would have a point.

Since it is not true however, you don't have a point, I'm afraid.

I don't quite understand. At no point have I said ease of travel is the only enabling factor. But it is an enabling factor nonetheless and it's a bloody hugely significant one. There is literally no reasonable argument against this proposition — none. And even if there was the slightest argument being made against the ease and accessible availability of global travel being a principal significant contributing factor to migration, the Covid travel restrictions utterly pulled the rug from under that.

So I'm not sure it's a case that I "dont have a point" any more so than it's a case that you really, really just don't want to concede that if you are OK with readily available access to international travel then (whether you agree with levels of immigration or not) you at least have to accept some "blame" for the fact that migration is easier now than it was before. That's not to say you have to accept immigration levels, or that you're a hypocrite for not liking it, but you at least have to accept some accountability for it.

I mean, could I even get you to accept a wee tiny smidgen of responsibility? The tiniest little piece? Or is it actually the case that you believe that when it comes to immigration you are wholly, totally, unavoidably, completely, invariably entirely not responsible whatsoever in any moral way for immigration levels? Really? There is "no point" there at all?

Personally speaking, I would tend to believe that any person who cannot accept the failures and negative outcomes of their own beliefs and desires hasn't actually thought about them in any great depth . .

I suppose what I should have said is that you don't have a relevant point. Since neither you nor anyone else is suggesting changing the nature of modern travel, rolling it back to a time when it was less convenient or affordable, it is simply irrelevant to the discussion.

If you feel it is relevant, please explain how cheap and convenient air travel pertains to Ireland's immigration policy. How should policy makers take it into account when designing a system that works to the benefit of Ireland? Are they failing to do so at present? In what way, etc?

This, after all, is the subject of discussion.

Chickens coming home to roost is an interesting phrase to use. Sounds like you’re the one who thinks immigration to Ireland is bad

on your point about Irish bars first of all not all Irish bars are owned by Irish people. Secondly for the Irish bars that are owned by Irish people that means that those Irish people who immigrated have set up businesses and contributed to the local economy. If they own a bar it’s safe to say they’re not supported by the country they’re in. I don’t think Irish abroad are as a group are costing any country billions of taxpayer money in supports

The Irish bar all over the world chickens coming home to roost point is not the gotcha you think it is

By that logic so how about chinese and Indian takeaways.

Flood these countries with various people and different cultures so.

Lots of turks own barbers and chippers.

Pretty sure the irish had to stand on their own 2 feet or starve in yesteryears of immigration

Just to follow on from a point made by another poster, you seem to regard immigration into Ireland as some sort of "pay back" rather than as a benefit to the country. "Chickens coming home to roost" was the phrase I think you used. Would that be a correct assessment of your position?