Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 06/06/25

Your really clutching at straw if you are citing the Pullman strike of 1894 as justification for marines detaining civilians in LA under U.S. Codes relating to military installations where even if the do must either escort them off the base or hand them over to the civilian authorities. In LA they failed to do even that by handing the civilian they detained over to Homeland Security.

Cleveland dispatched federal troops in 1894 on the basis of laws related to interstate commerce, not because like Trump he didn`t like the Governor of California. Johnson may not have like Wallace the Governor aof Alabama, but he didn`t send the marines to Alabama in 1965. He sent the National Guard and evoked the Insurecction Act in doing so on the basis that not only had peaceful protester been attacked by Wallace`s goons, both uniformed and not, Wallace had refused to recognise the Civil Rights Bill but had also refused to recognise Supreme Court rulings.

Are you seriously suggesting that any and all federal building can be classified as military installations, because it does sound as if you are and if so then I take it you do not believe that Trump and the military hierarchy have not been playing very fast and loose when attaching lands on the Mexico - New Mexico to a military over a 100 miles away in Arizona as a means of getting around the Posse Comitatus Act. An Act which interestingly came about in response to the abuses of the army in civil law enforcement and pre-dates the Pullman Strikes.

Edit. Still waiting on your views as to the politicising of serving military personnel prior to and during Trump`s speech in Fort Bragg.

I remember when the US could project (at least) a facade of decency in how the place is run.

Just in the last 24 hours it has slipped away. For real… ignore the last 12 years. In 24 hours a new narrative has been created and pre-emptively accepted by people

Coincidence: a striking occurrence of two or more events at one time apparently by mere chance. I’m sure it was just that!

I don't believe for a second that this was a "coincidence" and, frankly, I don't believe that you do either.

It's the hammer, nail thing in the US right now. Just following orders.

Ripped from Twitter.

In the last week, Marines were deployed in an American city,the president has called for a gov to be arrested &the speaker of the House has called for that gov to be tarred & feathered, a senator has been pinned & handcuffed, and 2 state legislators have been shot in their homes.

Also, the same Republican President said protestors would be met with great force if they came out at his military parade. And as I stated earlier, a GOP representative claimed at a committee meeting that the Democrats are the party of violence.

Someone said fascism can appear in this environment, it could be strongly argued that it's already present.

NO King's Trump-

that’s fair, wasn’t aware it was the exact same date. Thought it was just the week/month so I’ll retract that.

That's called a happy coincidence, but he hasn't needed his birthday to cause lots of chaos.

Trump himself has said it is a joint celebration

Stop calling that place America, America we knew and loved is dead

It’s now officially known as Trumpistan

And this is only 5 months into his presidency. I genuinely don't know how the f*ck America is going to deal with another 3.5 years of this authoritarian madness and incendiary rhetoric.

The transfer of federal property to link it to a military installation over 100 miles away in another state was nothing other than a blatant attempt to get around the Posse Comitatus Act by giving the military the power to detain civilians that otherwise was forbidden unless it was on a military base. Where even there they could only escort them off the base or hand them over to the relevant civil authority. Homeland Security, who you yourself said the marines handed that detained civilian too, are not the relevant civil authority in LA. Whatever the training they were going through before being deployed on the streets of LA, it appears that fact was not part of that training.

To use the old Irish saying " Will you ever get up the yard"

Trump did not make a speech in front of a non-partisan military. Those attending had been segregated based on those that politically favoured Trump and those that dis-favoured, with those that favoured being sat front and centre for the media as a back-drop for Trump, (the plumpers had to go off and sit with those that dis-favoured Trumps politics), and allowed to cheer and applaud his attacking of the media and his political opponents. It was shameless politicising of a military force that is supposed to be apolitical where Trump was aided and abetted by the military hierarchy.

I don`t recall any booing from those that didn`t favour Trump`s policies , but then they either understood what apolitical means, or more likely they saw from the segregation how the wind was blowing as regards the military hierarchy under Trump. That is something you should perhaps give some thought too rather than talking about a non-partisan apolitical military after what we saw from Fort Bragg.

Maybe in the past, but in this day and age, the US would cosy up to that type of leader. Maybe ask for a dig out on some prisoners they want to deport with little regard for due process or human rights.