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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Another Russian jet shot down

    By fellow Russians

    All recorded on video

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/ummZ3tjnYP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,835 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Hilarious. Like that Simpsons video. Shot down by your wingman lol

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I think the most believable explanation is that the wing snapped off when it tried to execute a high G manoeuvre, not that it was shot down.

    Either way, good result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    That it was filmed is more interesting on its own, it implies a network of spotters in occupied territories that might be doing better job at transmitting positions of the planes than radar would

    Reminds of how Ukrainians developed an early warning system for drones based on system of cheap phones on poles as them Iranian (ahem) drones are loud



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    We will see what settlement we get in the end. If, as some here have been predicting, the Russian economy is close to collapse then Putin may ease his demands. Personally, as said elsewhere, I see no end in sight particularly as the Americans seem basically to be walking away and Europe is ineffectual



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,835 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Lol,

    Doubt the Iranians will be much help to the Russians anymore.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    Also footage published on a YouTube channel Suchomimus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Looks like some significant strikes on airfields and other targets in Crimea, last night, that have been obscured by the smoke from Iran.

    Strikes in Simferopol , Yevpatoriia, Sevastopol, Bakhchysarai district, Feodosia, Alushta, Saky, Novofedorivka, Kacha, Kirovske and Bakhchysarai districts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Germany will deliver new IRIS-T air defense systems to Ukraine under a three-year supply plan, President Volodymyr Zelensky said during a joint press conference with German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius, who added Berlin has no plans to provide Taurus long-range missiles.

    The announcement comes amid escalating Russian aerial assaults, including a June 10 missile and drone strike on Kyiv, one of the largest since the start of the full-scale invasion.

    "We are grateful for the supply of IRIS-T air defense systems," Zelensky said on June 12. "We understand that deliveries are currently being planned... for the next three years. This is very important assistance."

    The IRIS-T is a German-made medium-range surface-to-air missile system capable of intercepting drones, aircraft, and cruise missiles.

    Pistorius confirmed the delivery timeline but firmly ruled out the possibility of sending Taurus missiles — weapons Kyiv has repeatedly requested to strike deep into Russian territory.

    "You asked me whether we are considering this, and my answer is no," Pistorius said.

    Before taking office, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz signaled openness to lifting former Chancellor Olaf Scholz's ban on the missiles. That stance has not yet resulted in a policy shift.

    https://kyivindependent.com/germany-to-supply-new-iris-t-air-defenses-to-ukraine-rules-out-taurus-missiles/

    Bugger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    **** em, it’s hard to have sympathy for the Iranian regime which abuses its own people, uses Gazans as pawns and every night for last year helped send hundreds of drones and missiles against European cities terrorising and killing people who never done anything to them

    I suspect a day will come when the master strategist Putin will make yet another monumental mistake in his power mad hubris and misreadings of history and pick a fight with someone who can punch right back

    Edit; typo

    Post edited by poop emoji on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Yes, but it wasn't directly behind and there's no explosion, just a white puff of aerosolised fuel as the wing breaks off, rupturing a fuel tank, just after it attempts a high G turn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Mighty good news. Mach 5.2 is technically hypersonic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭Bitcoin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 256 ✭✭Roald Dahl


    I saw a clip earlier on today where Tovarich Krasnov, who happened to be speaking to President Putin, was lamenting the deaths of 51 million Soviets during the era of World War II.

    This number struck me as wildly exaggerated, but in hindsight is probably not far off the total figure, if you think about it.

    What Putin conveniently left out in his dispatch to his Unofficial Collaborator, however, was that a good 90% or more of them were murdered by Stalin and his NKVD - be it through "blocking units" or outright wholesale murders - and that the number he let slip is a good 20 to 25 million higher than any previous figures that I am aware of. And I do believe that Putin, as de facto head of the KGB, has access to all the bookkeeping records.

    Nevertheless, this figure comes in light of Russian losses in their ongoing war in Ukraine, which have just passed the million mark.

    This million is a mere drop in the ocean.

    I had a quick look at the makeup of the Russian population and counted a good 40 million males in the 15 to 55 age bracket. On top of that, there are a further 11 million in the 10 to 14 and 56 to 65 Volkssturm range. It is true that a couple of million of those who could have fled Russia - and these patriots have no doubt established expat communities where on a nightly basis they drunkenly molest USSR flags and enthusiastically outbrag each other as to how magnificent Glorious Mother Russia is - but this still only amounts to a small fraction of the available cannon fodder.

    What this means, in essence, is that Putin still has limitless amounts of men at his disposal. They need not have tanks or guns or training or any of your fancy stuff. They simply need to charge in their thousands and thousands until the opponents' guns glow red hot and seize up - as they so successfully did against the Germans in the Second World War - and simply overrun them through sheer numbers.

    We need to stop fooling ourselves that the end is nigh in this regard. It's not. At the current rate of loss the Russians have decades left in them. Equally so with the talk of their economy collapsing. This is not going to happen. They can produce more than enough domestically to keep the serf population well fed and, being a diverse criminal organisation, have more than enough illicit streams of income to keep the upper echelons ticking over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,717 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    You realize the size of the country,lack of modern equipment,,, the country will gradually become derelict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Yesterday, the Netherlands and Sweden both announced they would increase defence spending to 5% of gdp and the UK acknowledged the would be going to 3.5%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,911 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Over what time period? I'm assuming they will just wait it out till Trump leaves office or drops dead



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭Field east


    I am wondering if your projections are ‘right’? . Are you basing them on the mindset of your typical Russian at the time ie Second World War. That was then and this is now. Back during the Second World War Russians were ‘queuing up’ to join the army - given no choice especially when you consider who was in charge at the time. There was no WiFi then and the Ru gov was totally in charge of communications network


    now with mobile phones, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, your typical Russian IS MUCH, MUCH MORE AWARE of what is going on to the effect that the following is probably the case:-

    (1) ‘willing’ Russians to join the army are not queuing up in the same numbers as before because of what they are finding out about the war

    (2) Lots of Russians leaving Russia if they can to avoid joining the army

    (3) feed back from the front lines about the hazards/difficulties experienced - Russian bodies strewn all over the place,, poorly equipped with transport /arnments, etc.

    (4) no clear reason for going to war and into a meat grinder.

    (5) increasing desire for independance by a number of the republics and therefor do not see why they should be sending their able bodied men to fight for ‘somebody else’


    So, in summary, I suggest that a lot of the able bodied Russians are not as available for Putin’s meat grinder as was the case in the Second World War

    And those that do go to the front lines do not go to try and get back to the USSR position and moral would be ‘dented ‘ with them as aresult



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭macraignil


    I don't agree that over a million casualties is a drop in the ocean. It has been mentioned that a big contributor to the collapse of the Soviet Union was the failed invasion of Afghanistan and a quick internet search shows that casualties in soviet forces over the ten year war there amounted to about 50,000. That equates to the failing invasion of Ukraine already costing the russian federation about twenty times the number of casualties and the population of the russian federation is less than that of the soviet union.

    The war in Ukraine is a war of choice and it could all end if putin simply brought his terrorist forces home. The tolerance in the russian population for so much death and lives destroyed for a war of conquest I believe is much less than what they might endure if they were fighting to defend their homes, family and friends like the Ukrainians are being forced to do.

    Read also that there now are many kilometers on the front lines in Ukraine where drones spot and target any congregation of enemy troops for artillery, missile and attack drone strikes so the meat wave attacks you mention may be confined to history by the advances in technology since the eighty years back when they may have worked. Many moskovytes die on a daily basis before they get a chance to charge at a Ukrainian holding a machine gun.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,334 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Have heard/read that same interpretation by others, with the blame being assigned to "metal fatigue or poor quality manufacturing" in the bolts/brackets holding the wing to the fuselage.

    I'd nearly say that'd be a much better situation for anyone trying to ground the fleet - force a few more of them into tight turns by any means possible, and if enough wings fall off Russian pilots will rapidly lose confidence in the aircraft's performance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭zv2


    Well there are some other factors to consider. A commentator on Sky some time back said that even if Russia won this war they would be faced with an insurgency in Ukraine. How could a half dead Russia deal with an insurgency that goes on year after year? Their economy would be destroyed by end of war so where to go from there?

    As for numbers, one Ukrainian soldier would have to kill three Russians to stay even numerically (but not militarily). Let's see how it goes.

    In the meantime, here's another one of these yokes-

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    As someone that works in this industry, there is a huge variance in the quality of fasteners (bolts) etc in both the manufacture process (where AS9100 certification may be obtained by brown envelope) and quality of coating/platings would all be major factors. If they are forced to rely on certain countries they may be rolling the dice with what they are holding together their airframes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Vast improvement in music ^^^ 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,713 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Add to that during maintenance are nuts and bolts replace at like for like specifications or are old ones put back on or are lower specification hardware used

    We say it at the start if the war where tyres on military equipment gave out became proper maintenance and replacement was not carried out.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Surely the Israel/Iran conflict is the best thing to happen to Ukraine in recent months . That’s one major Ru backer requiring all their war infrastructure to pivot against Israel* and allies.


    *Israel/Iran both despicable regimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Won’t be good for Ukraine if France, ail, America get dragged in though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    I would suggest ignoring that Sky commentator.

    Russia doesn't play by western rules. Russia will just wipe out towns/cities if the locals don't play nice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭Field east


    I assume that Iran will need ALL the shaheed drones it produces rather than sending them to Russia. As a matter of fact we may see a. Flow of arms from Iran friendly nations to it. Iran seems to be much less ‘well off’ re arnaments when compared to Israel. Do

    On another point the whole Muslim world has a TOTALLY different ‘ outlook on life’ than Israel/the western/ Christian world has - am thinking about the 40 virgins waiting in heaven for the ‘brave’ ; suicide bombers, ; 7/11 type activity, etc, etc, etc, etc.

    Israel has been , but it most definately is now u’ up against’ a very wide range of ‘opposition eg there are Muslims all over the world - some who may not like what Israel is doing to Iran ; Iran. Friendly countries; Hamas; Hesbullah, Islamic Jihad, ; the Yemen revolutionaries; that ‘crowd’ in Nigerian if it plans to to ‘ expand’ etc, etc, etc,etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    …and yet they're probably no more ruthless than the NKVD, the 'Destruction Battalions'-yes, they were a real thing- and the Soviet army were and yet anti-soviet partisans managed to survive in west Ukraine until the early fifties and the Forest Brothers in the Baltic states managed to hold out in the woods until 1957. The last one to surrender emerged in 1971.

    Post edited by ilkhanid on


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