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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,003 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Just because his killers say he was a "terrorist", it doesn't make it so. And given their propensity for lies, I'd be inclined not be believe anything Israel says at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Randycove


    seeing as the UK has sold about £500m in arms in the last ten years, I’d be surprised if it is billions, especially as the UK accounts for less than 1% of arms sales to Israel.

    https://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2025-0286/Military_Cooperation_with_Israel-letter_to_Shockat_Adam_MP.pdf

    here’s the full response to the parliamentary question



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Tell me the God honest truth, do you really believe this news article? Not even Israelies themselves believe these complete fabrications.

    Just shows the mossads control of the mind, let alone the media.

    Iron Dome is a fake technology. The explosions over Tel-Aviv are little more than fireworks. Fireworks that for decades have served as a basis for Israel's "retaliations"

    Funny how it's only now that they have attacked Iran that they have sent the warnings to their citizens. Wasn't that threat always there from Hamas? Would be laughable if there wasn't an active genocide happening behind it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    I see Paul Murphy has been "detained" in Egypt as part of the latest gesture politics stunt by some well meaning but utterly useless and ineffectual protesters. With any luck they'll throw him into some dark shithole prison for a few years and spare us all from his dreary Marxist shriekings in the Dáil for a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,433 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Maybe save the country time and effort trying to sort out these stupid political stunts as well.

    These folk should be left to their own devices.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Of course they would.

    But that wasn't my point. Israel's international image is one of the worst. So why are they worried about it? It couldn't get any worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Well quite clearly Israel thinks so - along with the nuns, the women, the kids, the journalists, the medics, the doctors and even their own hostages. Plus the sheep of course.

    I guess having a limp is a dead giveaway of being Hamas. Just like that Down's syndrome boy the IDF set their dogs on then left him to die.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Are Hamas preventing the population of Gaza from fleeing ? Seems barbaric .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,672 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Maybe you should reply to a post so that we have some idea what you are talking about. To date you have shown extreme ignorance on the whole Israel-Gaza conflict so it would help if you provided some context or links to your narratives. We would be happy to engage if you were up to responding directly. Or maybe you just like throwing out random thoughts to nobody, hard to know.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Why aren't the citizens fleeing to safety like other Palestinians have done?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,309 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I was asking why you think those with a disability can't possibly be Hamas.

    Not going to answer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭Homelander


    What do you mean, Iron Dome is a fake technology? Israel have multiple intercept systems for different kinds of projectiles, and they're all very real, you can literally see them in action in any amount of videos.

    If Iron Dome and Arrow/Sling etc are all fake then what is intercepting these missiles?

    It's a weird conspiracy theory and it makes no sense.

    Hamas does not fire ballistic missiles into Israel. Also, Israel does issue warnings during rocket attacks, I am not sure why you are insinuating they don't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Of course, being disabled does not categorically rule a person out as being Hamas. Having a limp, perhaps a gammy finger, or one eye wouldn't rule a person out. Perhaps nor would a deaf person or someone with autism or ADHD.

    But sure - you're right, disabled people could be Hamas. The IDF would demonstrably agree with you. They even thought the three lads stripped to the waist with their hands up and screaming "surrender" in Hebrew were Hamas. Or the Netzarim Corridor Commander who ordered all people on bicycles to be executed as they were clearly Hamas.

    Personally though, I'd draw the line at a Down's Syndrome boy. And I certainly wouldn't snipe a man dead because he had a limp. You appear to have an alternate view.

    Post edited by dmcdona on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,355 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Are you still using your own devices?

    I'm not really one to talk, but you have 20,000+ posts over 10 years.

    Good on anyone that takes the impotent rage shown online and applies it somewhat in the real world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,538 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    They really picked a bad time to do their publicity stunt when the attack on Iran is the headline news instead of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,309 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    You are the one bringing Down Syndrome into it in your desperation to keep your point going.

    You admitted eventually that being disabled does not automatically equal not a terrorist. The whataboutery you added is irrelevant, but you had to get your dig in that I apparently have no issue with your fetish scenario of Israel sniping Downs Syndrome children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I thought you were discussing disabilities so Down's Syndrome is legitimate, no? It was for the IDF anyhow.

    It seems the fetish with disabilities is yours - I simply posted a news item. You demanded an answer. Seems the desperation is with you.

    But apologies if that touched a soft spot for you there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,672 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Fleeing to where? And where are the open borders? Maybe they know they will never ever ever return.

    Are you saying it's ok for Israel not to let sufficient aid in because they can "flee"?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,309 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    You implied the man with a limp couldn't have been a terrorist. I was asking why you thought that. You eventually had to admit he could have been.

    You are now just desperatly lashing out since you had to concede, and are now insinuating that I would be fine with a person with Down Syndrome being shot. Thats your coping scenario, not mine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,433 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I simply posted a news item - in fairness, you then raised the premise of disabled people being Hamas and asked me a fair question.

    Seems you don't like the answer very much. Nothing I can do about that I'm afraid. But I wouldn't characterise my reply as "desperately lashing out". Your reply might fit the bill though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Interesting opinion piece outlining what Israel's attack on Iran could mean for the hostages. Worrying times for all concerned.


    "And then there is a final question – how will all this affect the situation in Gaza, where Israel continues to fight a war of attrition against Hamas, and where 53 Israeli hostages, 20 of them believed to be alive, are still held by the Palestinian terror group.

    Some Israeli officials rushed to brief the media after the strikes on Iran, claiming that this would make reaching a deal with Hamas easier,as the group will feel isolated once Iran's threat over Israel is removed.

    But the opposite could also occur: Hamas may lose whatever little trust it had in Trump and his special envoy Steven Witkoff in light of what looks like an American-Israeli deception of Tehran."

    Amir Tibon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,309 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    No your answer was fine, took a while to get you to admit Israel may have been correct about him being a terrorist as a disability doesn't prevent someone becoming a terrorist (see Abu Hamza as an example)

    Your upset add on at the end about me being fine with people with Down Syndrome being killed by Isreal is where you dropped your mask and revealed your upset at having to concede not every disabled person can't be a terrorist.

    It was an expected response so no harm. You did the same after you had to admit women could also be terrorists and weren't immediately all innocents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Bin laden famously walked with a limp. It was one the ways the US were able to identify it was him at the compound where they eventually killed him. Shame on the US for executing a poor disabled man I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    "took you a while" was in fact one post, "upset add on" and "conceded" seem harsh but I suppose faux hyperbole isn't a big deal really.

    But I do agree with you - disabled people, women and even kids and nuns could be terrorists. As could surrendering hostages. Or people on bicycles. I'm sure we'd both agree that sheep probably aren't terrorists.

    Perhaps where I'd differ though is I'd probably hang onto the dog's lead a while longer while I do a bit of a check and have a chat with the lad first. Or just take an extra second or two to process three lads shouting "surrender" in Hebrew as possibly being Israeli hostages.

    I'd certainly give the benefit of the doubt to nuns, disabled people, babies and women whilst I'm sat in my Merkava battle tank or I know the sniper unit has my back or my buddies have their mini guns locked and loaded.

    But then I'd be a rubbish IDF soldier I suppose. I think you'd be a better one - clearly seeing everything as a potential threat. Which of course they are as you quite rightly point out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Also, Israel does issue warnings during rocket attacks

    No it doesn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The disabled man in Gaza was limping, in broad daylight, undoubtedly being able to hear the drone above him (unless of course he was also deaf). Fair enough, the IDF said he was "suspicious" - so massive red flag there I suppose.

    But sure, if you think it's ok to mock executed disabled people, fill your boots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,798 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I'd say, given the intensity of the bombing campaign in Gaza, that quite a few terrorists have disabilities. The question is how many of them were terrorists before the injuries.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    There are numerous countries they can seek asylum in . A a lot are here already . Why would you keep your family in Gaza . I don't understand it myself.

    Also , can I just ask why you made the last paragraph up ? Seems quite unhinged from you .



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