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Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,970 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I understand them having the US by the short and curlies jew to lobby groups and I can understand Germany's position however how about everyone else?

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,970 ✭✭✭Feisar


    What right does Israel have to say to Iran that they should not become a nuclear power? To quote the bould Parnell, "No man has a right to say to a country... thus far shalt thou go and no further,"

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,289 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    South Korea is at war, there is no peace treaty between it and North Korea and the particular placing of their AA batteries on high rise buildings is a direct consequence of their "at war" status. Whilst the war may not be hot, it still breaks into border skirmish and artillery duels on occasion.

    Indeed the proximity of Seoul to the border is one of the reasons that placing anti aircraft batteries on rooftops is part of their defensive tactics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,548 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yeah, so if you want peace, either everyone gets nukes, or nobody gets them.

    Its the doctrine of MAD

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The current UK prime minister is only there because the Jewish lobby manufactured the ousting of the previous Labour leader.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,970 ✭✭✭Feisar


    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    It’s there for anyone to see. The weaponisation of antisemitism to remove someone whom the Zionist lobby could not control.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,619 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I've seen a lot of nonsense on these boards about Israel but calling Israel's attack on the Iranian government "unprovoked" is probably the most absurd thing I could imagine, and I've seen some bizarre stuff.

    The Iranian mullahs have been waging a proxy war against Israel for a while now. Hezbollah's attacks on Israel from Lebanon, attacks from Hamas, and attacks by the Houthis on civilian shipping in the Red Sea, all of the actors responsible for these are armed, trained, financed and to some extent directed by the Ayatollah's regime. Israel was for the most part satisfied to deal with Iran's proxies rather than Iran directly, but the fact the regime is (or was) provably working to build atomic weapons means than their constant genocidal calls for "Death to Israel, Death to America" could no longer not be taken seriously.

    In addition to its own genocidal fantasy of killing the Jews and erasing Israel, Iran, as a member of the CRINK alliance, has also been helping Russia to facilitate its genocide of Ukraine. Since 2022, Russia and Iran have been working together on mutual improvement on weapons systems and it is either Iranian Shaheed drones (or the Russian copies made to Iranian designs) that have been terrorising civilians in Kyiv and other Ukrainian cities for some years now. In this respect, Ukrainians are now like Israelis - having to live within a 15 second run of a bomb shelter because of the CRINKs.

    Anything that can be done to weaken any of the CRINKs is good news for all free people throughout the world.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Seattle


    That's not terribly surprising given Iranian government actors have posed as activists online, encouraged protests, and provided financial support to pro‑Palestinian, anti‑Israel demonstrations etc.

    Politicians on the other hand are elected to be able to see past this type of stuff and make decisions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,145 ✭✭✭threeball


    I would argue that Israel are far more dangerous than Putin as they have the ability to drag their lapdog behind them to add a bit of muscle and convince the idiot Americans to go to war with pretty much anyone off the back of countless lies.

    The most evil state in my lifetime and quite frankly only their geographic size and population prevent them being much worse than anything in the last century. Pro rata they're directly and indirectly responsible for more deaths than Germany.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,204 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I know that the Americans were concerned about the effects of getting involved in another war in the Middle East - potential casualties and the impact on their own economy - but they and the Israelis would be able to defeat the Iranian forces without doing a full-scale invasion of Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,092 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    They couldn’t win in Afghanistan in 20 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Interesting to see posters who defend Israel’s genocide in Gaza describing yet another sovereign country that Israel has attacked as “genocidal”.

    Israel has been waging a proxy war and carrying out assassinations for decades.
    The hypocrisy of this position is only matched by the hypocrisy of nuclear armed Israel attacking Iran who they have claimed were months away from a nuclear bomb for the last 20 years.
    But the usual cheerleaders for Israel will support any and all actions against any and all other people.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,204 ✭✭✭political analyst


    The difference is that there won't be a full-scale invasion of Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,145 ✭✭✭threeball


    The legacy of the US and UK in this whole mess is a total disgrace. They destroyed the embryo of a progressive state in Iran to retain control of their oil and installed a ficticious state in the region that has waged war with everyone within 1000km radius for almost 80yrs whilst being propped up with arms and money from it's deluded sugar daddy's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,204 ✭✭✭political analyst


    There's no evidence that the Israeli diplomat Shai Masot's actions in 2017 were authorised by his superiors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭Lirange


    … .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭Lirange




    “They couldn’t win in Afghanistan in 20 years.”

    They (predictably) failed in the long term nation building occupation, sure. 

    Attaining a military victory or toppling a government/regime is another matter. They’ve been rather better at that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭Homelander


    It's OK to be vocal against what Israel is doing in Gaza. It's OK to think Israel is a terrorist state.

    But it's clear people let that guide their opinion on Iran.

    There really is no need to defend Iran. It's a despotic, fundamentalist regime that places erasure of Israel top of the agenda.

    They can all be bad guys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,092 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Third wave. Dozen of missiles launched at Israel this past hour.

    The military says “some” of the missiles were intercepted, without providing a precise figure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,145 ✭✭✭threeball


    Neither the US nor the UK were ever interested in nation building. It's all PR and waffle to dress old fashioned colonialism up as something respectable. We're just over here giving these heathens the benefit of civility.

    They weren't in Afghanistan 5 mins before turning their attention to Iraq and its oil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭combat14


    iranian missiles now hitting central tel aviv



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,619 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Would you care to explain why you put "genocidal" in quotation marks when referring to the Iranian government? They're proven collaborators in genocide by supply both drones and drone specifications to Russia. That's a fact.

    In this light, their constant calls for "Death to Israel" (since 1979) have to be taken at face value. And if you claim they aren't developing nukes to further this objective, then why are they enriching Uranium to 60%? There is no civilian purpose for doing so!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,204 ✭✭✭political analyst


    The most recent Iranian attack has passed - the Israeli government said people are free to leave their shelters. That's what I've read on the CNN website.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I think Israel rattled and crippled any fast response from Iran.

    100 drones launched and then when they were all intercepted, 100 or so ballistic missiles. They seem to be scrambling to respond. It's a far cry from last Octobers response from Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    What you are arguing is described as “fanciful” by professional diplomats with decades of experience in the Middle East.
    Former diplomats said Masot was highly unlikely to be operating without authority. Sir William Patey, a former British ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan and Sudan, said: “The idea that he would be operating on his own I find fanciful. We know there is a lobby in this country that seeks to portray in the best possible light and seeks to isolate and denigrate critics of Israeli policy.”


    Do you believe the guy working for Israel in the Israeli embassy was acting to advance the interests of Israel as a hobby? 🙄

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The first priority of Iran is preservation of the regime, the same as the first priority of Netanyahu is preservation of Netenyahu.
    The lesson learned from Ukraine, North Korea, Libya over the past number of years is that the only leverage against the US and its proxies or other aggressive regimes is a nuclear deterrent.
    Iran will be more determined than ever to possess that nuclear deterrent following the bad faith, fake negotiations with a president who unilaterally scrapped the existing agreement for political expediency.
    Once Iran get the bomb, the Saudis will get the bomb. Then Azerbaijan, Turkey, Egypt, etc, until Israel will be facing a nuclear armed Muslim neighbourhood.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Better at Regime change?
    $2.3 Trillion dollars and 200,000 lives later, who is the regime in Afghanistan?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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