Flight to London Gatwick crashes at Ahmedabad airport

The loud noise could easily be compressor stall from one or both of the fairly hefty engines, but that could have been precipitated by many different things.

I wont speculate on the flap position, I've seen several videos of a the 787 take off flap position and even in high res they look almost up, probably due to the curvature of the wing. The low res videos we see, extremely difficult to speculate on whether they are fully retracted or not.

https://x.com/AeroPaleo/status/1933193627775152310?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1933193627775152310%7Ctwgr%5E2d4bf186e563ab266a2bd1543966e7764d2690c9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pprune.org%2Faccidents-close-calls%2F666472-plane-crash-near-ahmedabad-20.html

Thanks for that. Loads of people online saying things like "you shouldn't be able to see the engines if the flaps are properly set". I don't think it was anything external to the aircraft. I think you'd see a bird strike or the resultant compressor stalls at the very least.

I think fuel contamination would affect one engine first, not at exactly the same moment and you'd see the asymetric thrust and the rudder deflection required to keep the aircraft flying straight. We see none of these things. I think any "normal" engine failure would result in asymetric thrust being really obvious at least for a few seconds while they corrected it with rudder.

Peronally I suspect there are a lot of squeaky bums inside Boeing right now.

Yep, but VFS is about 1.23 times VS(0), so thats a lot of knots between 260kts and VS. Also V2(5) should be higher than VFS(0)

Unknown photo source.

Appears to show both slats and flaps out of their zero positions.

Avherald claims that pilots reported "mayday, no thrust, no taking lift". However, they don't mention what's the source of that revelation. Additionally, avherald page is now offline.

ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT

Not quite the point.

My point was that even with a more advantageous angle of attack for viewing, with a higher clarity in the video, it is hard to determine if flaps are set to take off settings.

The manner of the departure was not the point of comparison.

But even if the flaps were selected rather than the gear, there is nothing stopping them putting the lever back down again, considering the “mayday”, this wasn’t the case.

The survivor also said after the lights flickering he "could feel the engines increasing thrust to go up" This isn't consistent with the phone video. Maybe he heard the RAM? Or is still in complete shock and his memory is understandably hazy

The top rated comment on that video is this, "Hi I’m an ex 787 captain, in this phase of flight due to the flight envelope protection and auto gap protection, the system doesn’t allow you to retract flaps even accidentally ." That would seem to discount that theory assuming that commenter is actually a 787 pilot.

The RAT being deployed, the flaps being set (as indicated in wreckage photos), the undercarriage still being down, are all IMO pointing towards something that should be nigh impossible on a modern jetliner, a total loss of power via double engine failure. (I could be wrong, this is my read of what's known now)

Also interesting to note that Boeing have cancelled their press event at Paris Airshow by way of respect for the families of the Ahmenabad crash.

Michael O'Leary is being vocal again re: Boeing quality control issues.

“We had planes being delivered and when we get them back to Dublin we find spanners and tools under the floorboards,” O’Leary told The Times in his boardroom. “What the factory in Seattle needs is someone overseeing the production line. At the moment it’s just salesmen.”

To combat the issue, the airline now employs 30 engineers in Seattle and Wichita for inspections. Once a new aircraft arrives in Dublin, local engineers conduct a 48-hour inspection. “Only once we are completely happy does it go into operation,” O’Leary said in February last year.

The fact that Ryanair have embedded 30 QA engineers within Boeing and still finding it necessary to undertake a full invasive QA check upon delivery is a damning indictment of the state of play in Ryanair's confidence in Boeing's product.