Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

Yes, and in light of Israel's policy, maybe Iran should revise its own policy of small-time antagonism. It will neither de-escalate the situation nor destroy Israel. It's contributing to a lot of suffering and instability for supposed ally populations, though. By the time the current situation in Palestine is over, there may not be hardly a single Palestinian left living there.

Because Bibi and the Israeli right always need an enemy and all the better if you can fear monger people into supporting your policies. Why do you think Shamir back in the 80s facilitated the rise of Hamas in the first place despite advisers warning him not to do so What was the real goal in allowing funding to reach Hamas in recent times? In fact we know the answer to that question because Bibi admitted it to colleagues that it was done to undermine the PA and stall any prospect of a two state solution

Yes, although their actions on October 7th, 2023 could end up leading to a situation where the Palestinian territories cease to exist altogether. Would that be a victory or even a condition that would lead to future victory?

The problem with Israel is that they have little compunction about slaughtering every last Palestinian, and there's no-one else really trying to stop them, either. Hamas do not have the capability to match them directly on the battlefield. Insurgent movements work best when political matters prevent the oppressor from unleashing their full military power. We see that in our own history - the IRA fought against RIC men and various police auxiliaries in the main. There was no great desire among the British for a full military commitment coming off the back of world war one and a good deal of sympathy for the ordinary Irish suffering reprisal attacks from wayward British troops. But the negotiators of the Anglo-Irish treaty knew where their bread was buttered when threatened with 'immediate and terrible' war if the terms weren't accepted. They had the sense to know they couldn't take on a fully mobilised British army. This is a sense that Hamas don't seem to share in the modern day.

By inviting attacks on a civilian population, a great bunch of lads 🙄

Iran can't do much of anything. Their military is a thing of the past. If they could actually fight back in a meaningful manner, Israel wouldn't do shit.

Israel is only interested when they can slaughter civilians and attack countries that have no way of striking back militarily.

Considering Israel's inclination to act like a wild dog Iran would be fools not to be pursuing some sort of nuclear capability.

Am I the only one that is thinking of the Armstrong and Miller "Are We the Baddies?" sketch, given that the main financier for this out-of-control gangster nuclear armed terrrorist state is of course the West.

@Tell me how

I'm not here or anywhere else to defend the actions of Hamas. But I have to recognize the environment in which they exist. So much in the West we see people talk about the force and response they will use if their lands are invaded or people persecuted, but when Hamas react to Israel's actions, they are roundly condemned with by those same people. That's a logic I have become very frustrated with these past 20 months.

But Hamas don't have the military capabilities to make their current policies work. If they did, Israel wouldn't be so able to turn Palestine into a pile of smouldering ruins, littered with starving people. You have to be realistic about your own capabilities when it comes to deciding on a strategy, if you want that strategy to be successful. It's the same reason why, if you're being bullied at school, it may be morally right to punch that bully on the nose, but it may not be strategically right to do if the bully is 6'4 and knows Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

As things stand, all Hamas are going to do is turn the Palestinians into a bunch of refugees living in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and elsewhere. What's left of them, that is.

Not every conflict necessarily has “good guys.”

People can debate about the most abhorrent or lesser of the “evils.” But it wouldn’t be a loss to the world if both these regimes went by the wayside.

This speech will be very interesting

They are caught by the balls, not much they can do to respond without making things much worse.

We both know the answer to this.

Israel has bought /bribed / naughty info on so many US politicians, they get to do what they want.

Germany is so guilt ridden over the Holocaust, they'll let Israel commit war crimes

Rest of the EU and UK? -making money on weapons.

Lots of sh1te talking

They have bigger things to focus on, like dog walking.