Switching electric/gas providers (see first post for links)

that’s you sorted until September 👍🏻

thanks, i already sent them an email yesterday, saying i’m shopping around, export rate dropped 17%(24 to 20 c)with no reduction in consumption rates etc, before i move from them,

if that fails to work, i’l action a switch with someone else, the day after my contract end date, and see what happens.

Email resulted in a phone call, they offered me the increased 24% discount which is 6.74 c inc vat for 4 hours, and 30.28 outside of that. I pushed for retention credit in addition, and they said they are not offering this, and the 24% is an offer for June & July only. New rates apply to me from my contact end date next month.

I'm okay with that, as it is €100 + saving annually, being on the higher 24% discount, and i need their 4 hour low EV rate window, as have a 15kw battery, 3 EV's and a heatpump. The 3 hours EV windows are not enough for me.

Electricity only

You wont get the €100 credit unless you switch away first. I was told the retentions are a different team and the CS team cant offer credits to an existing customer.

This was on Radio1 earlier, DCU lecturer and students created another comparison site where you upload your smart data https://elec-tariffs.ie/

He doesn't claim it does anything else for the consumer compared to energy-pal. He's quite specific towards the end of the interview saying if you don't want to donate your data to them, use another site.

The key difference is that this site will store your data and allows DCU (or INSIGHT more specifically) to analyse it along with other peoples. That may offer insights into the energy market and may inform the CRU or others as to a better pricing strategy for consumers.

The only "twaddle" I heard from him was that he said "its incorrect" that once you switch to a smart tariff you can't go back. Alan is a data analytics person, it's not his area. He just wants your data. If you don't want to donate it to research, fair enough.

I agree.

That doesn't invalidate the tool. He's an expert in data analytics not energy or switching. He just looks at the data.

Maybe I'm just kind on him because I know him and have worked with him in the past. He's pretty good at what he does.

a 24 hour tariff on an activated smart meter is still a smart tariff. You can't switch back.

At best, his answer was misleading and that's being very generous. It was very much throwaway stuff in the interview.

He was also incorrect stating that every home and business would have a smart meter by the end of the year. They won't. I believe (open to correction) the correct statement is every home and business will have been offered a smart meter by the end of the year. Again, very minor and does not invalidate the tool.

It is possible to switch back to non-smart, only if it's done as a change of supplier cancellation though and not with your current supplier.

Also, still plenty of different metering sites that haven't been catered for by smart meters yet.

So this is incorrect?

https://www.bordgaisenergy.ie/home/help/can-I-move-back-to-a-non-smart-plan

You can't unactivate a meter. If you select a smart tariff with another supplier, you meter has been activated and will affect you at renewal.

"Where CoS initiated a Non Interval to Half Hourly or a Half Hourly to Non Interval meter
reconfiguration then on cancellation MRSO will reinstate the old supplier and reverse the
meter works."

Step 45 here

https://cdn.rmdservice.com/media/docs/default-source/briefing-documents/mpd-03-objection-and-cancellation.pdf?sfvrsn=d87137d9_1

@graememk D/N is a bit different , in those cases esbn can't reverse it so you need to switch supplier then do a subsequent change to a smart mcc

good luck with that. See the evidence this thread

and giving your data to academics allows them to create the argument. Moaning about treasure island achieves nothing, giving data to academics might do something