Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

Yes, the influence of the likes of Age Action Ireland, Irish Cancer Society, Irish Heart Foundation etc etc are an abomination destroying the country.

Once again this is a post fomenting anger based on suppositions and assumptions rather than fact. Free speech is still a thing. If people want to highlight a particular issue that is entirely their right to do so.

Some people constantly need to be remined that freedom of speech is something other people have too.

And the job of the public service broadcaster is to reflect what people are talking about, so the fact that they talk about this issue is entirely appropriate. You can by all means argue that they dont give enough airtime to the opposite view as is your right. But that stories of people who have lived here for a period of time and made connections are broadcast is not an issue. It is possible to have empathy with, and hear about what other people experience, while still holding it to be correct that those same people are removed form the country once their asylum case is found not to have merit. And it is perfectly within peoples right to express the opinion, and have it heard, that the deportations should not have happened, even if the opinion is incorrect or misguided.

We live in a modern world where mobile phones with access to the internet are ubiquitous.

Intercontinental video calls are so regular as to nearly be normal for the great majority of people.

Yet RTE talking to someone on the phone is an NGO conspiracy.

Why is this thread like this.

Why can't this thread focus blame on the actual people responsible, the sitting government. And primarily FF and FG.

Here again we see a post looking for scapegoats and conspiracies for a phone call instead of looking at the actual problem. Government policy!

So what? I want to live in a society, not an economy

That’s what the likes of Simon Harris and Millionaire Micheál don’t get - they think they’re doing a great job because employment is very high and the country is apparently “awash with money”

And in spite of the above we have homelessness at its highest ever levels. An overburdened and wildly inefficient health service. Public transport systems from the late 19th century. A severely dysfunctional rental sector. An entire generation stuck at home with no prospect of ever being able to buy a home of their own and bring forth the next generation of Ireland - they are trapped treading water for their prime years instead.

Immigration is largely a benefit to Ireland and it should be encouraged in areas where we have skill deficits etc.

However it is clear to see that in the context of a national housing emergency, the continuing to stoke demand by ever increasing levels of immigration is not currently sustainable.
The supply side of things hasn’t even caught up with the existing deficit never mind serving the pressure of the additional arrivals. Wanting a restaurant to be able to hire some marginally cheaper labour from abroad is not a reasonable excuse to sacrifice a generation of Ireland’s youth.

Going back to my original point, the likes of Harris and Martin are homeowners sitting pretty, entirely insulated from this disaster fomented of their apathy (and the same goes for many of the government TDs). They’ll kid themselves in the future that they were good “moral” politicians, because they flung out a few soundbites about Palestine, wilfully ignoring their roles in destroying the social contract of the country.

I think you only read the first line of my post and clicked reply. The lack of planning and kow-towing to vested interest is what has got us to where we are

One thing people need to realise though - turning off and reversing immigration in the short term would result in an economic crisis that would make the 1980's seem like Shangri-la. And we would still be left with a housing and public service deficit, but with no money also.

No qualifier there. Just generic statement saying NGO's. And talk about NGO's anywhere in the current environment and the reactionary elements will not make a distinction and tar all with the same brush impacting the ability of those doing good work to fundrasie and get support

We don’t have to “turn off” or reverse migration

It’s not an all or nothing issue

It can be curtailed down to essential people only, we don’t have to throw the baby out with the bath water

What is essential? Healthcare workers only? Food industry? Multinationals? Becasue all those areas struggle to fill roles. And there there are those that provide services to industry and business. These also have massive shortages of workers. And what about the service industry? Do we have masses of people waiting to go into these jobs. So a sudden restriction of immigration would have a massive impact on both multinationals decisions to base themselves here and overall economic activity in the country. So its a decision, can we live with another 2008-2010 followed by the emergence into a country closer to what we had in the 1980s or use the current financial windfalls to actually address the systematic issues in our housing and service supply, foster the growth of indigenous businesses, including the implementation of a sustainable migration policy that allows us to fulfil our needs while dealing with illegals and with very quick turnaround on asylum. The governments choice is just pander to vested interests and do nothing which is the least palatable option.

These particular people have been removed from Ireland. Yet the cause of the problem (government policy) still remains an issue and yet all the focus on this thread now is on a phone call on rte radio.

The real conspiracy is all the people who look to blame individual immigrants, nebulous NGOs, "the Left", SDs etc and are seemingly acting as agents of the government in diverting attention from the real cause of the problem. Government policy!

Particularity the department of justice policy!

If you moved your family to another country due to whatever hardship you faced in your home country, be it economic or violence and persecution or a lack of a future for your kids, once in that country if everything you experienced told you, wait it out and we will be ok, would you put your family back on an that plane or would you wait and hope something turned up. And hopefully the next groups served deportation orders will see the increase in forced deportations as a signal that the wait it out approach wont work anymore.

However, I am loathe to blame individuals for what is a systematic failure and who are people who are ultimately trying to make a better life for their families. If their asylum cases are ultimately found to not stand up, of course they should be deported. People who arrive here illegally should of course be denied entry. But the fault lies with the system and not people looking for a better life for them and their families.

The narrative though is turning into a "blame the nasty immigrant scroungers who are probably criminals too" when the overwhelming majority are just people looking for a better life. And the narrative is being fed by those who want to preserve the status quo. Who want high asset prices and the transfer of the increased productivity of labour to the bank balances few. A classic divide and conquer to shift focus away from the true cause of people s problems, both those who cant afford a house in Ireland and those who cant feed their kids in Africa. Ultimately the elites know if the poor in the third world and the struggling in the western world find common cause they are fucked so are delighted with the emergence of lobby the dehumanises the migrant.

I'll make my answer nice and simple.

Yes.

Where’s the government’s cap on any type of immigration?

A Quick Look through your post history will tell any reader what they need to know.