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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,817 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    TThe Augers are another story. Had steel augers in old parlour, they'd deal with anything. The ones in new parlour- not pearson- can't deal with any lumps that might come in feed. Tou wouldn't chance leaving the augers on and walking away. 20 minutes fills them if working properly, once a day. One of the mornings when oh was going for surgery 1 hour it took to fill them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,817 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    AAlso If you were picking out cows, drafting system not in yet, and opened and closed gate off same panel too many times it goes into error mode



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Right what are the pros and cons of the ids feeders (pig feeders).

    https://ids.ie/what-we-do/dairy-feed-systems/

    Thanks in advance. I'm not to technical so something fairly bomb proof is needed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,817 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    You'd Pick up second hand air cashman feeders which are bulletproof on donedeal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭straight


    Cheap And cheerful. Not much to go wrong. They are the first thing I spent money on when I started farming. Got the young farmer TAMs on them. Some people call them the first step up from the bucket but imo it's a very large step. In 8 years here and all that break is springs. They only started breaking this year. DIY job.

    Anything with air or a button is going to be more things to go wrong and no extra benefit.

    My first year was drawing in 60 ton of nuts in buckets and drawing all the calf milk out of the pit in buckets during the spring.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Have Dairymaster feeders here, never any bother

    Made the control box myself very simple with a timer to adjust the feed rate and a toggle switch for each feeder so you can swith them on or off individually and another swith for each side of the parlour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,490 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    that never happens our pads tbf. I have to manually draft cows aswell



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,869 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Had air orby feeders for years in the parlour. Never had much issue. Only thing I found was the drop down pipe from the auger wasn't wide enough. If I filled the hopper at the end of milking the nuts would gate in the small pipe would block and I'd have to go up and give them a kick. Think they were 40mm.

    There's plenty of comment on oneills on the YouTube thread, one thing I dont like is how the feeder are set up. Whatever about the feeders themselves but the cows were able to knock the pipes off the trough aswell. I personally like the idea of giving a thin cow or heifer more meal even if your not set up as feed to yield.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭green daries




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭alps


    Cashman feeders top class equipment and backup.

    You have miles more flexibility in terms of changing feed rates from one milking to the next (could be a change in weather or a paddock short of grass) and also ease of feeding different amounts to different cows or groups of cows (say heifers v's older cows). The difference in price with the IDS ones drops significantly once you bring grant into play...and if there's a woman on board in your operation...you'd be on 60% grant



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    Is the National Genotyping Programme worth signing upto..???



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    In general yes.sorts a few things and.creates a.few things.might slow up the time frame for registration but it also makes it easy.but then you have the sample errors that happen and dna is dna you won't get away with any fooling.the other side is it sorts any previous mistakes but the first tagging of the herd is a biggish auld job.it cleared up a lot of missing sires for me and I feel I have better handle on where our herd is at breeding wise



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,490 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    I think it is. It can be painful in spring but some of that could be sorted by getting samples off quicker and not leaving them hang around



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,869 ✭✭✭visatorro


    An enthusiastic young lad was buying calves off a super farmer for a couple of years. Decided to genotype his herd. The super farmer will telling porkies about his breeding practices!

    I genotyped everything this year. I'm not sure there a major benefit for me as I don't sell stock and normally use a fr stock bull. Hard to see how the beef value will make that much difference to calf price in the long term. Sure im committed now ill keep at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Tams don't cover feeders in existing parlours anymore. Just new builds.

    In case I was leading anyone astray



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Hard to believe all the carrying is not a health and safety issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,490 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    according to Adam Woods on the Ifj podcast a week or two ago finishers are paying more for stock with higher cbv 🤷🏻‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,817 ✭✭✭✭whelan2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭ginger22


    The biggest advantage with the genomics is if running a few stock bulls you know which calf is sired by each bull. Just wait untill the result is back before registering the calf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭cjpm


    So one arm of the government are promoting new builds, while the Dept of the Environment are trying to discourage them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,869 ✭✭✭visatorro


    You'd imagine with carcass weights and age of finishing some kind of a reliable guide would become clear over a few years for the cbv. When you see the arguments that go on over ebi even if cbv is accurate lads mightn’t pay too much heed in it..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,817 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Milk recorder was saying she was in a farm the other day 36 cows, 8 unit parlour, 1.5 hours milking .



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    I don’t feel so bad now - milking time here for 32 cows in 8 units is just under 40 mins.

    20 mins prep beforehand and 30 mins at the end for wash down and feeding calves I bought.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭straight


    That doesn't make sense. No wonder some people consider TAMs and government policy to be anti dairy farmer.

    I would consider upgrading to feed to yield some time. Might never happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,490 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    according to Adam the data is coming through and that’s what it is saying. We bought 2 Angus bulls this year and I made sure they had high carcass weights. Did the same with any ai beef bull



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,736 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    simple answer is yes …especially as it’s free …at least to get herd done now ….you have correct sire for every animal and when doing calves it’s corrects any errors on dams/sires/sex before blue card issued ….i had no issues with samples been empty or damaged



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,736 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    paper don’t refuse ink😉😉I sold calves in mart and yard this year and didn’t hear cbv mentioned once …..only place you’d hear anything is in the journal/Agriland or podcasts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,736 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Don’t even have to do that I’ve 2 Herefords running with cows …just picked whichever one at random when registering calves ….once genotype off any error is corrected automatically before card issued



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,817 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    We didnt bring many calves to the mart this year but not all of the ones we brought had cbv on the board, only what was available



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Put yourself in the calf buyers position - will you bid more for a calf with an average CBV or a calf with none?

    I’ve yet to hear an auctioneer highlight a high CBV and I’m fairly sure the jobbers squashed in beside each other at the ring wouldn’t take much notice anyway

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



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