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Will AI take your job?

  • 11-06-2025 09:36AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭


    I was just listening to an Irish tech podcast with someone who sounded like a bit of an AI booster, predicting, well actually saying already that much software is being written by AI.

    Certainly, where I work, 0% of our software is written by AI and that is not likely to change in the foreseeable future. I see two issues. One is a kind of 80%/20% rule, where it's always been the case that you get 80% of the functionality for 20% of the work. It's always the last 20% that takes 80% of the time. Finding bugs in code you didn't even write is going to be even harder than that. The second thing is: how to specify what it is you are looking for? A lot of software requirements can be hard to write down, so very hard to describe to an AI chatbot.

    Then, I was told about this thing. LOL!

    https://techfundingnews.com/fake-it-till-you-unicorn-builder-ais-natasha-was-never-ai-just-700-indian-coders-behind-the-curtain/

    Maybe a less sensational description of the above is this article below, where apparently the founders were always upfront that their product was "human assisted AI". Funny, I thought it was supposed to be the other way round ….

    https://www.ft.com/content/16ee837a-1d89-448b-8a33-9741025334d6

    What do others think? Other professions?

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,270 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    The advisory and consulting and knowledge worker based industries will certainly see an impact - there’s a need for those working there to greatly familiarise themselves with the AI tools available and reassess how they provide client advice and how to continue to bring client value.
    As you say, the 80% is there already - what’s the 20% of value add?

    One thing I’ve seen is that college graduates on grad programmes are suffering more - no or little promotions - some companies happy to see them leave after a few years- this is something I haven’t seen before and it’s worrying - deep industry knowledge will help existing employees in these sectors - but only for a while .

    I think headcount reduction and “doing more with less” will be the first phase of AI impact for some jobs - learning how to use the AI tools effectively to do time consuming tasks, leaving you time to figure out, just what value are you now bringing? 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Have bulldozers taken away builders jobs?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,006 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Unlikely but I now see ads on the tube encouraging companies to stop hiring human beings.

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭plodder


    One thing I’ve seen is that college graduates on grad programmes are suffering more - no or little promotions - some companies happy to see them leave after a few years- this is something I haven’t seen before and it’s worrying

    That's certainly concerning. I can see where it might be a problem, but I see it less so in situations where an ongoing investment say in product knowledge is required.

    deep industry knowledge will help existing employees in these sectors - but only for a while.

    That's what I am more sceptical about.

    Take law for example. Legal AI models might be great at digesting publicly available databases of legal decisions. But, (I suspect) the best advice a lawyer can give a client is when to take a case to court, and when to let it go. That kind of intelligence will not likely be available to an AI model and is where the deep industry knowledge comes in.

    All the above even assumes that the advice you should expect AI models be able to generate is actually accurate, which is far from guaranteed.

    I think headcount reduction and “doing more with less” will be the first phase of AI impact for some jobs - learning how to use the AI tools effectively to do time consuming tasks, leaving you time to figure out, just what value are you now bringing?

    That's probably true, though it might be best and most transparent if it's the clients who end up performing that work themselves, rather than having it fed to them by high paid advisors. I've seen that happen already in other kinds of work like document translation where low level work gets done by people themselves through tools like google translate.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭plodder


    Fair point. I imagine it is amusing maybe to some that the world is suddenly worrying about this problem, when automation of one kind or another has been around for a hell of a long time. But, you're right. There are still plenty of jobs for builders, just not so many for those whose only skill is how to operate a shovel.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    As a “software builder” I find a lot of these articles amusing as having to keep up to date with latest tech and tools been a constant in my over two decades of experience

    A few minutes saved with AI tools which to be fair I find are getting helpful (tho still often generate complete garbage which could be dangerous) does increase productivity slightly

    But most of the day is spent in meetings 😂 and meetings about meetings as people like to talk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,270 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “best and most transparent if it's the clients who end up performing that work themselves, rather than having it fed to them by high paid advisors.”

    I think there’s “something” there in what your saying - but it greatly depends on the clients core business - there’s also been a focus on clients doing away with non core roles - so the people left are highly specialised - whilst AI tools will help them in some non core activities and they can certainly leaverage these to their advantage when needed, but there will remain a need for specialist guidance - but admittedly much fewer people on both sides it must be said



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,006 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Good point.

    I think the tractor offers an interesting comparison. It was invented at the end of the nineteenth century but took generations to catch on. Now, they're routine. In hindsight, it's hard to see how humanity would have progressed without them as people flocked to the cities for opportunities.

    The problem with this comparison is that there are no such opportunities now, save those for AI architects and designers. I think there's a serious risk of breeding a large "useless class" and that tends to end badly.

    I feel like AI was supposed to make things better but all it seems to do is to create disinformation, memes and crap art. We'll see how things go but I am not optimistic at all, particularly when I look at the politicians who are responsible for governing it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,153 ✭✭✭threeball


    If it can climb a ladder carrying 30kg and stay on a roof in the pissing rain then its welcome to it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,129 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    That was part of a marketing campaign which, depending on your point of view about marketing tactics and generating sales leads from rage bait, has been incredibly effective:

    https://www.artisan.co/blog/stop-hiring-humans


    I hadn’t heard of the term ‘AI boosters’ before, but it’s an apt description which describes people who are invested in ensuring that everyone is talking about AI and imagining it’s the future of the labour market. It’s not even close; it has potential to become a labour saving tool like many innovations in technology have done in the past, but for now as ACD points out, it’s simply more useful for creating disinformation, memes, crap ai art and I’ll add to that, AI slop - AI generated video podcasts are the latest innovation, not an innovation created by AI itself (which would indicate actual intelligence), but rather content which still relies on and requires a user telling it what to do and what is the expected result.

    The person behind promoting ‘vibe coding’ as he calls it, also has a vested interest in doing so, but outside of a hobbyist culture, it just doesn’t have any commercial application, other than to generate industry buzz and get Silicon Valley investors hyped about where the next big thing might come from, like crypto, NFTs, etc that can have even bigger fools part with actual money while feeling good about doing so because they’re buying into a concept, which they find attractive:

    The concept of vibe coding elaborates on Karpathy's claim from 2023 that "the hottest new programming language is English", meaning that the capabilities of LLMs were such that humans would no longer need to learn specific programming languages to command computers.

    A key part of the definition of vibe coding is that the user accepts code without full understanding. Programmer Simon Willison said: "If an LLM wrote every line of your code, but you've reviewed, tested, and understood it all, that's not vibe coding in my book—that's using an LLM as a typing assistant."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibe_coding



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭FaganJr


    It will ( not now, but sooner than you think ) and do it 24hrs a day 7 days a week, that's the part people aren't grasping, you cant compete with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,805 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    17000 navvies worked on the manchester ship canal so yes ( well technically navvie jobs not builder jobs but hey)

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,927 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    If AI let's me get another 5 or 6 years under my belt, it's welcome to it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,270 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    AI is great at getting “something” down on paper- a very rough first draft - an outline - some suggestions - it will certainly speed up brainstorming of new ideas - but it still needs the human element there to organise it and validate it - but less humans- that’s a given.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,904 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    I code and I use it regularly. While I haven't found it to be useful enough to replace me, I have found it to increase my productivity massively. There's a learning curve with each model though as they all have pitfalls and a lot of time was wasted at the start with AI changing things I didn't want. Once I started delegating what I'd describe as "subtasks", it found its value.

    I've seen demos of entire solutions being created entirely from well written business requirements. They initially scared me but code written from business requirements will never cater for all the edge cases that rear their heads during regular development and for that, you'll always need a coder.

    So yeah, agree with above. It doesn't look good for grads trying to break into the industry but I expect that to even out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,153 ✭✭✭threeball




  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Had manys the argument in real life with people who worked in factories in the 70s saying they predicted the end of workers when C & C machines came in.

    The difference is they still needed people to feed the products into the machines and monitor them etc.

    Search for Musks robots on YouTube….these things will be able to think and reason for themselves by surveying the shop floor and doing tasks like tidying up, working every machine…..24 hours a day in shifts while other robots are charging.

    I follow the AI industry very closely and watch videos each day on the advances and trust me…..

    60-80% of manual jobs are gone by 2028-2030.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is true.

    Remember though, AI will be able to learn itself and correct itself as things advance.

    Imagine when specific AI agents are assigned to create code based on input from huge specialised databases.

    No human will compete with AI on an informational level as scale and speed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Whatever happened to the navvies? Bulldozer freed up peoples time to do other things, work a 39 hour week and still be able to stand at the end of the week without back pain, manual labour like that is hard going and seldom pays well.

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    10 years ago, if you mentioned AI, it would be a discussion on farming. These days it's all about Artificial Ignorance and the hype cycle that surrounds it, it's classic economic speculation bubble territory, will end the same way for many of the players as the dot com bubble did back in the late 90s.

    I have found aspects of it useful to generate quick code where I need to get data cleaned up for further processing, you do need to know what you are doing, because it can spit output that looks plausible but churns out complete sh!te. If you know what you are doing with prompts and set the prompt up to challenge you, it is quick to get someone else's ideas on the table, it is up to you to validate the information is correct.

    It can be used for image processing to quickly identify known modeled characteristics, you will still need a specialist to confirm the findings and also search for the edge cases.

    I have experienced issues where generative AI, has generated instructions for people to follow, that started plausible but did not work. In another example an individual did not understand a correct explanation to be passed to a client, ran it through generative AI and fed the AI information from to the client which did not reflect reality. I found out when said angry client picked up the phone to me.

    Most AI hype is being driven by fear of missing out (FOMO), as a consequence the technology is being applied to situations where it must fail. Unfortunately, this misapplication means AI is polluting data streams with garbage, that will eventually collapse some companies with the AI bubble due to poor management supported by bad data.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭floorpie


    Imagine when specific AI agents are assigned to create code based on input from huge specialised databases.

    This is already the case. ChatGPT is hitting mainstream this year, but ChatGPT is just the tip of the spear. Anywhere that's embracing LLMs has been running agents within large workflows on finetuned models, integrated across every tool you can think of, for quite some time now. The tooling for this is essentially free, extremely powerful, and user friendly. These workflows are completely displacing roles already.

    LLMs are also just one small component of the progress. When you look across new modelling approaches, new manufacturing techniques, new use-cases and new integrations, the developments will be exponential now.

    E.g. your point on robots, people see Helix independently learning tasks and performing them for an hour, but still seem to think that the state of the art in AI is GPT2.

    Anyone thinking that AI will always need human supervision to succeed, in a way that matches current organisation structures, is missing the mark in my view. We're already far past that when you compare the speed and correctness of output to the supervision required. Media commentary and legislation on this is way behind the curve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,930 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,442 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If it gets to that point, we'll all be too busy to get jobs. We'll be hiding in rat runs we've dug out that stretch between ruined buildings, trying desperately to avoid being spotted by the killer drones that the billionaire class have built to cull us all, having decided that the general population is no longer of use and must be whittled down to around half a billion.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    regardless of what you think of him or his politics….don't let that cloud your judgement on how smart he is and he doesn't waste money or years building lemons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,930 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Well how long has spent with the roadster or semi?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,194 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    I work in IT, database programming specifically. AI is a crock of sh1te, the only people making money out of it are the snake oil merchants selling it into companies, promising everything and delivering nothing. Its the new offshoring, sounds great in principle but ends up costing more as you eventually have to get in competent (i.e. expensive) people to actually do something functional as the brave new world couldn't do it.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He is the richest guy in the world?

    In shorthand this means anything he touches turns to gold.

    If the guy is building robots, then you can be sure they will not be the ones that just mow the lawn.

    So maybe stop talking nonsense ok?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,930 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    Knock yourself out



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,006 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Everything he touches turns to sh*t. He might have been one to watch a decade ago but now all he does is bleat about people having kids and Nazi salutes. And Ketamine of course.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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