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Shooting in Carlow

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,258 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    FIK not yet. BUT there are only three scenarios that the gun could be described as "legally owned/licensed[per MSM] here;

    1] It was personally licensed to this loser [Speculation And was somehow over seen by AGS in the raid on their house]

    [2]It was dual licensed to another individual and the loser at the same time [Speculation And again was somehow overseen that this loser had a dual license,so therefore possible access to a gun]

    [3] it was licensed to someone else uninvolved in the situation and somehow this loser got access to it.[Speculation Stole it,borrowed it after convincing the owner to hand it over somehow,other method]

    Those are the only 3 options I can see here.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭JVince


    Its using terms like "loser" that can be a trigger for people with low esteem or mental health issues.

    As we don't have much personal information on the person who carried it out, using emotive and degrading names such as "loser" is not appropriate.

    This person committed suicide. He did not harm anyone else and neither did he set out to harm anyone else.

    There was something obviously going on in his head that he felt he was unable to talk about / work out and decided to take his own life. Society has an issue if people cannot talk and part of society's problem is calling people names to brand them in such a way that is inhuman.

    Unfortunately, mental health services in Ireland are dreadful unless you have private heath insurance and can get access to John of Gods or St Patrick's. The gardai in particular have little training or understanding and will treat those with mental heath issues as criminals rather than see if there is a way to correct the state of mind.

    In this case Gardai knew this person had a fascination with guns and explosives. He had to sign on once a day as the primary part of his bail. - It would have been better if the bail had him attend a psychiatrist once a fortnight as a condition.

    He was ill. He and no person that commits suicide is ever a loser.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭yagan


    Cocaine, heroin, bondage and many other things are something different, but I'm not stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,688 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    This has got absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the right to a fair trial and the hyperbole is ridiculous. Unless you actually think everyone should get bail, you will always have the possibility of someone being remanded in custody who will ultimately not be convicted.

    Actually, given that you mention appeals, does that mean nobody can be jailed until after they have exhausted all routes of appeal, either?

    At a bail hearing it's up to the judge to decide based on the circumstances whether bail is appropriate. The Gardai will often object because of the seriousness of the charges, flight risk or other reasons.

    The wrong decision was made this time. The justice system failed to protect the public (and, arguably, protect this guy from himself)

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,688 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    He did not harm anyone else

    He harmed a large number of people.

    It's pretty bizarre that you write a fairly lengthy post about the perpetrator's mental health, but completely ignore and even deny the harm done to those who were in that centre that day, how about their mental health?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    ….

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    @Grizzly 45

    Why can't you quote the posts to which you are replying? It's not hard - use the Quote button…

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Pretty decent podcast on stopping mass shootings and the type of characters that carry it out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭JVince


    I must have missed that in the news reports.

    A child sprained her ankle is all that was reported. Maybe you have some inside information that no-one else knows about. You should contact the gardai with that information.

    I did not comment of the person's mental health specifically, but to commit suicide in a public manner like this would most likely be due to mental health issues.

    The mind is powerful. Once people know that he did not try to not set out to harm anyone else will rid most minds of any fears they had.

    I sincerely hope no-one you know or are close to suffers from mental heath issues. They certainly will get no empathy from you judging by what you've written. - and frankly that's what's wrong with society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭yagan


    Not a fan, a sweaty meat. However years later I tried marinaded rabbit in Malta where it's a bit of a national dish and it was actually very tasty.

    Nothing though was as fowl smelling as my granny frying eel, it smelt like burning rubber!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Thisi is your contribution to a serious thread?

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,317 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    The comments by Judge Zaidan today are all a bit mad. He seems to have warned journalists against reporting on the fact that he is the one that granted bail to the guy. Passing blame to Gardai for not objecting to bail at the time.

    "This judge or no judge in Ireland has the power to go behind that. They'd be running to the High Court if I did. Once gardaí consent to bail, it must be granted, amen.

    "Please report sensibly. Please tread carefully," he said.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0604/1516630-carlow-disinformation/

    wtf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    The gardai did object to bail. The judge is spinning. Judges decide bail not gardai. Judges can refuse bail for serious cases/public safety.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,317 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Of course. It's an utterly bizarre thing for the judge to come out with!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,258 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    And you know how to use the delete your post button? Its not that hard even for "Einen Esel Herr Esel"

    Mod - warned for uncivil post

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,258 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    If they were dual or single licensed,and/or deliberately or accidently left him have access to the firearm,by not securing it properly in a way,he would have no access to it or even removing it from the property and putting it in a gun dealers for example until this was all sorted out.

    Then yes they could be looking at some serious trouble.Allowing unauthorised access to firearms and ammo.If this is the case that you are implying in so many words.I'm surprised the aGS then didn't revoke whosoever else had a license in that address and demand the gun be put in storage or surrenderd. That is a major blunder then by aGS if that happened.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,258 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    America that has a constitutional right to keep and bear arms and has 380+/- million people and close onto well north of half a billion firearms of all types and counting,while we in Ireland have appx 700k worth of gun owners in a pouplation of what 5 million?With appx 250k worth of legally held firearms,mostly shotguns and sporting rifles being the bulk about 300 Centerfire pistols,and 90 odd semi automatic sporting rifles. So comparing a blue whale to a dormouse and apples to cheese solution in sorting out a non existent problem in Ireland.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,258 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,688 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Yes, that was the only PHYSICAL injury reported.

    How on earth was anyone there to know that he didn't intend to harm anyone else? He brought a shotgun into a shopping centre. Then he started firing.

    Then there's the emergency services who have to literally pick up the pieces, but maybe they should just be used to it, or some other glib excuse.

    You're showing zero empathy for them or anyone else who had the misfortune to be there that day and the effect that has on them.

    The hypocricy is breathtaking.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    This morning I saw a Virgin News screenshot of a tabloid article headed Cops Seize USB Key Belonging To Carlow Shooter

    Edit: From Indo, paywalled.

    Gardaí investigating a shooting incident involving Carlow gunman Evan Fitzgerald (22) have seized a USB device discovered at his friend’s home on the day Fitzgerald shot up a shopping centre.

    The flash drive was placed in a secure bag and duct-taped to the friend’s bedroom window before being discovered on Sunday.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,509 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    You don't think anyone in the shopping centre, fearing for their lives, running, are not traumatised, could end up with ptsd etc.,

    Mental health issues experienced by Evan Fitzgerald and the impact of the dark side of the internet on him are being suggested as possible factors. The reality of a potential lengthy sentence for serious firearms offences the 22-year-old was facing may also have weighed on his mind.

    All of which could have fed into what Gardaí suspect was a suicide plan — to die either at his own hands or ‘suicide by cop’.

    This refers to situations where a gunman confronts armed police and behaves in such a way as to give little choice to police but to shoot and neutralize the threat.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41644798.html

    This is what I previously suspected he wanted to be taken out by AGS which is why he chose a public place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭Heckler


    A lot of people in Ireland don't realise that its perfectly legal to own rifles/shotguns. Even more don't realise that its perfectly legal to own handguns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    So it was obvious that that the gardai were were at the delivery of the guns but this makes it clearer that it was essentially a setup Commissioner confirms gardaí made 'controlled delivery' of guns to Carlow gunman

    Did this guy really have the capability of actually securing guns on the "dark-web"? (Doesn't mention the explosives though)

    This sting operation was reported on in the Mail on Sunday two weeks before he went to the shopping centre and started shooting.

    and the gardai lied in court saying they didn't know where the weapons came from...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 588 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Anyone can access the dark web and buy whatever they like. It's not rocket science



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    without getting caught by the authorities? obviously not in this case!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,258 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Yeah,very easy if you have a TOR browser,know a specific address,and know how to cover and delete your footprint and search logs and are a dab hand at bitcoin accounts and a few other things to survive in the basically the deep Mariana Trench of the internet,where all sorts of horrors lurk.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,688 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Nothing wrong with a sting operation, doesn't make it a set-up

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    I'll hazard a guess that the parcel was intercepted by customs and didn't have a valid return address on it. Making a controlled delivery doesn't mean they knew where the parcel came from.



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