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Irish citizens illegally in the US under Trump?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,390 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    It is twofold. In Canada it's often described as a privilege.

    However if you are a permanent resident of Canada you have essentially the same rights as citizens, except voting, running for public office, certain government jobs, buying crown land and various residence requirements and limited absences. But in the end, one does have rights and as long one obeys the law one won't be faced with a deportation order.

    The same often is said about a driver's licese. It's a privilege to have one, but again, there are rights attached to that and if one obeys the law, one gets to keep it.

    In the EU free movement is one part of the 4 pillars of the priciples of the EU, - however as far as I know, if one is in trouble with the law he or she can be ordered to leave as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,124 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    No sympathy for arm chancing Irish, you don't come from a horrible war torn or basket case country. No one forced you to go there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,394 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Only you know if you heard that. 😉

    Nobody I know in the States has stopped socialising for fear of immigration control. Then again they all regularised their status - it took time and some effort but it wasn't a daunting task.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,199 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I thought if you married an American you were fine, it is that these people just didn't go through the steps to make it fine..after they married



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I'm married to an American but living in Ireland. As far as I know, I'm entitled to a marriage green card but I haven't taken up the option.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,390 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Getting a green card is usually a very daunting task. All the other visas are just insecure.

    Marriage usually qualifies for a green card, but you'd have to go through a process, - interviews, separate ones for both partners, tough questioning, etc.. but in general it's granted, provided the marriage looks genuine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,394 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Your definition of very daunting is different to mine or my friends and family who got their green cards. It's perfectly doable. It's a lame excuse for remaining illegal to say the process is too difficult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,390 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I have no chance ever to be offered a green card and so do the majority of people who are interested in working in the US. The H1B visa is not really a choice to me. Thus the US is off limits regarding work and jobs.

    You can consider yourself as lucky if you have the green card, whatever the pathway was to get it.

    The majority would find it daunting. It's only a minority who are lucky either by marriage, or by the right employer who offers sponsorship and few can afford to pay a law office all the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,199 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Who the hell would want to live in American though. I can't think of a worse place to live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,660 ✭✭✭Tork


    Even marriage isn't enough. This story caught my eye the other week https://mississippitoday.org/2025/05/20/ice-detained-danish-mississippi/

    The case involves a Danish man who immigrated to the US in 2013 on a green card. He married an American woman. They now have kids, and he has been trying to become a naturalised citizen. But because of a mistake in the paperwork dating back to 2015, he's now in detention. They're all as blonde and blue-eyed as certain people would like their Americans to be, but daddy could be on his way back to Denmark.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,390 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    There is a good number of IT jobs in Silicon Valley I could think of. However in the IT industry they rarely sponsor Green Cards, H1B if you're lucky. H1B is rather uncertain, like if you lose your job the hurdles are very high.

    Lots of former H1B workers from the US try their luck in Canada with a PR as a skilled worker and that's secure. Canada is the better choice, maybe a bit higher taxes, lower paid jobs, but PR is easier obtained.

    Australia is also a top choice, permanent visas are similar to Canada, if you don't mind the strong sunshine.

    Getting a Green Card in the US is really a daunting task, unless you're really lucky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭NSAman


    see this is the go-to for many people.

    Where I live is very like Ireland. Rolling hills, farms, friendly people, no crime (which is a major difference from Ireland).

    I can honestly say, America has given me more opportunities than Ireland ever could, in work, business and family. Of course, there are things I miss, but currently I enjoy living here. My neighbours are great, my friends well-educated, well travelled of all colours, creeds and persuasions. Life is good.

    Will I stay in the States? I don’t know. Personally, would love to spend time here, time in Ireland and time travelling.

    Everywhere is what you make it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Then again they all regularised their status - it took time and some effort but it wasn't a daunting task.

    Regularizing one's status is not easy.

    The person on here who did that got a EB1 visa, which is for "those with extraordinary abilities, outstanding professors/researchers, or multinational managers/executives"

    No one who goes over on the 90 day visa waiver and overstays is falling into that category.

    Since the end of the Donnelly and Morrison visas in the mid 90s anyone who has overstayed has had little or no opportunity to become legal save from marrying an American citizen.

    The amount of young people who headed over to the states and overstayed has fallen off a cliff since the Celtic Tiger which also coincided with the post 9/11 crackdown.

    Few illegals would pursue a pathway to legality that would expose them and put them in danger of deportation

    So those there now are well into their 40s, many into their 50s.

    And they have never had a good opportunity to legalize their status.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I’m not sure if your imagination is lacking about worse places to live, or overimaginitive about life in the US. I upped stakes from Dublin a quarter century ago, life has been good since. Quite happy here.

    In any case, the “who the hell” is apparently answered by the substantial number of people living illegally in the US who chose to relocate there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    In fairness I love Ireland, I grew up in a small town in carlow, I loved playing gaa rugby soccer, fishing, swimming, kayaking, the rare summers, the craic, the races, summer jobs, farming, college in Ireland, the whole thing, amazing.

    However there is not a chance in hell I could have had the opportunities in Ireland that I had in America. Like the money is a different level of things are on track and even what you can do with the money. Like you can't just get the property in Ireland that is available here for example. You also don't have access to wilderness trails and lakes and beaches and cliffs. Like there are some but America has a lot of space!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,199 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Sounds like you're trying real hard to convince yourself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭NSAman


    that is not entirely true. Friends of mine in Ireland, their daughter who was a carer in Ireland has just gotten her Green card in the States. There are routes here to become a permanent resident. Many routes.

    True it’s easier if you have a sponsor or a job that is in need. Daunting is only daunting, if you make it so.

    I’m the EB1 person mentioned by someone above. Was it easy? No. Was it impossible ? Obviously not. I’m here. It took years. Having to use time out of the US to extend my visa. A good lawyer ( I initially had a crap one) and hey presto green card.

    it is a process, which I admit has become MUCH harder recently. If you want something badly enough, there is always a way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Builderwoman!


    Ah T****w isn’t that bad!! ;) :) Lots of lovely green open spaces still around Ireland too. Continued success over there. 🙏🇮🇪💚



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,954 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Yeah, maybe think twice about that. Engagement with the process is one of the mechanisms ICE has been using to target people for deportation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    It is now a horrible country ….. fear, violence, corruption, hypocrisy …… there is no hope there while this crowd of imbeciles are in charge ….. all that is going on in LA is crazy and 100% avoidable if a moderate president and a moderate government were in power …… Trump is useless and a bad judge of character ….. letting Stephen Miller a known fascist run the show ……. the only way this problem can be solved is if these fanatics are removed permanently from office ….. the Republican party has to be split as it is too dangerous to govern on its own …… every time they get into power you have this gang …… President Lutnick …… President Hegseth …… President Miller …… President Donald Trump Junior ….. no thank you ……



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Of course it's always an ongoing debate, you will always miss home but America is not what you see on the news or at least, it doesn't have to be, I can't emphasize enough how massive it is. LA or even New York might as well be in another continent as far as it impacts me. And it is not like Ireland is perfect either or super easy to transition back to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,390 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    What is true for you sadly isn't true for others. I've tried, but it was never possible at all same as it was impossible for lots of others.

    I neither have a good lawyer nor the money to endlessly pay one, I am also not in a job where I would be likely to get one as well. I also could never consider marriage just for visa purposes as well. Working illegally was also no choice, way too risky and unpleasant consequences.

    As said in my field H1B is the maximum that's possible, and that's no real option to me. Too insecure especially with all the layoffs in the IT sector. EB-1 I would never ever get, there is nothing in my CV that could ever qualify as "extraordinary abilities" nor do I work in research. You may have these abilities, but the majority simply don't.

    The option to get a Green Card is really not there for anybody, no matter how hard they try and no matter what you write here.

    What you are describing is more the case for Canada. Yes it has become much harder to get PR in Canada, but if somebody really tries hard, is possible.

    In the US it's impossible, - it was in the 90ies and it is even more so today.

    So, if you can tell us here how all these Latino Immigrants from simple backgrounds in the US can get an EB-1 Visa and get that converted to a Green Card, I'd be happy to listen, but the reality will be that they don't have that option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    I'd love to know how these people got their green cards.

    Are you talking about people who went over on some sort of visa like a H1B and then managed to get a green card or are you taking about people who went over on the 90 day visa waiver and overstayed and then got a green card?

    There is a huge difference between the two situations.

    The former is relatively easy, the latter is near impossible expect for marrying an American citizen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,390 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    There is no official path to go from a 90 day visa waver to a Green Card. The 90 day visa waver is mainly for tourists and business visitors. Unless you're sponsored and the employer has sponsorship options, you'd have to go via some form of visa to get a Green Card. H1B is a popular choice, however the number if these visas is capped and it's tied to a job offer with a certain amount of salary. If you're faced with a layoff time is limited to get keep the H1B status alive. EB-Visas are also known as the Einstein Visas, it's only for scientsts or others with exceptional skills few of us ever have.

    Under Trump immigration has gotten more and more political, - and ever since 9/11 things have tightened more and more. So if you want to legally work in the US on a permanent basis, don't expect any favours, unless you're really privileged and very gifted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Once they are done with brown people don’t be surprised if the neo Nazis come for naturalised citizens next, there are already sections of MAGA calling for just that

    And when they do there won’t be anyone left to protest about it, just look at how protesters are dealt with this week

    Take care, Dublin ain’t as cheap to live in now as 15 years ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭NSAman


    true not everyone can get an EB-1, bit timing is everything with VISAs as I have found out personally.

    Currently USCIS is a mess. It has been for years.

    While tech layoffs have increased, there are still employers willing to sponsor.

    H1B has been a path to green card for ages. It still is…IF you take a chance. Yes it is a LOT more difficult, but not impossible. It’s all about whether your skills are in demand enough. That’s the same with any visa application internationally.

    I don’t need to defend my path to Green Card to anyone. Except maybe USCIS in a citizenship interview. As I said I’ve worked hard for it. Took a chance in my late 30s and went for it. It still took years to get a Green Card. Immigration is not a “right” as some think, especially if you do it legally.

    I could have gone down the marriage path, but that was not for me. If I am going to be wanted somewhere, it’s for myself not what someone else can do for me. Believe me, I was close to leaving many times. They don’t make it easy, especially now.

    I know there is major anti-American sentiment around the world, many people despise the current administration. That will change in time as it always does. However, most of us living here, just want to get on with living, working and raising our families.


    If they do, we always have the choice to go home or somewhere else. At the end of the day, it’s Americas loss. You think they want to lose the skills that many green card holders and naturalised citizens have brought here? Not to mention the loss to the economy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    You think MAGA cultists “think”?

    What in last few months/years of MAGA Trump circus would have given anyone such an impression 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,283 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Nazi Germany infamously had huge brain drain. Based on the fact that the current presidency is threatening everything from vaccines, cancer treatment to general scientific research indicates that they don't mind what damage they do. If I was a scientist working in research, I would seriously be considering a relocation. I also suspect it's inevitable that they'll start pulling work visas around those areas and things like climate change research.

    And given the fact they've started a global trade war, they don't really mind the economic impact of their actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    It’s a variation of the “they wouldn’t be so stupid” argument (narrator voice; oh yes they are)

    Which now sounds as quaint and hilarious as “but checks and balances!” line of arguments used to defend Trump

    I noticed we now moved to identical arguments Putin supporters use of “just wait and see”

    Slowly slowly the frogs are being boiled



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,390 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I understand.

    But please also note: Personally I have learned it's easy, very easy to work hard and motivated, even day and night if necessary at something once the opportunity one has always been looking for has been given. I have been in similar situations before as well, but not in terms of US visas and EB1 visas, but in other job opportunities and life in different countries, Canada amongst them.

    Note also that the majority of people are simply not given such an opportunity you have and this includes the overwhelming majority of Latin Americans with aspirations to make it in the US.

    Even though different in this case there are certainly parallels to that. I've heard of scientists, leaving the US, for Canada simply because for the freedom to speak and the freedom to do research without any hinderance.

    Trump and his yes-sayers are more and more fanatics. They haven't put jews into concentration camps yet, but they are lashing out at others, infringing free speech to going after vaccinations, banning certain books, cancer research and so forth.

    And myself, I am by far no gay rights advocate, diversity and inclusion leftie or Hamas symathiser.

    There are way more effective ways to reduce illegal work in the US than sending goons with guns, - simply don't issue a SIN number without a visa, only issue temporary SIN numbers to the lenght of the visa and one is illegally simply unemployable, - other than working for cash in hand on a daily basis.



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