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Irish citizens illegally in the US under Trump?

  • 09-06-2025 12:09PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭


    One thing I was wondering, is is it happening that Irish citizens are working illegally in the US? I once heard that even in the 90ies there was a large amount of Irish working illegally in the US.

    Are they now all in fear of being rounded up and sent to that prison in Latin America? Or would the US Americans treat them a bit better and simply put them on the next flight to Ireland?

    It's probably hard to put a figure on that as it's a very grey area.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,916 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    yes, this was explicitly mentioned on a news piece on the radio yesterday; but also

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41589148.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    They would be put in detention centers and probably moved around detention centers until they are processed and returned to Ireland.

    There has been very little in the news about Irish people being caught up in the crackdown, even though there are lots of stories coming from places like Boston (an area with a lot of Irish illegals) about people being picked up and deported.

    There has not been an amnesty for Irish illegals since the early 1990s so man who went over illegally since then are still illegal,vso the demographic for illegal Irish are people in their 50s and older, as post the Celtic Tiger the numbers going over illegally diminished.

    I'd say they are keeping their heads down and are so established in their communities nobody knows any different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭Ultimate Gowlbag


    As long as they're the right colour im sure they'll be fine….there seems to be pattern to those being rounded up!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    What surprises me, is that they apparently get a SIN number if they are illegally in the US. In Canada for instance one can't. SIN numbers are only issued for those who present a legal visa document.

    Also how does that rounding up by ICE really work? In the end, it would mean, everyone, even US citizens would have to carry ID in form of passport or a citizenship certificate with them at all times to prevent them from getting rounded up and deported? Or does ICE simply go by colour of skin or Spanish and other foreign accents?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,343 ✭✭✭gipi


    DOGE collated various government databases, so the administration is aware who has a "temporary" SSN and who hasn't got legal status (as well as details of work, school, etc)

    So it's easy to identify ICE targets.

    I wonder what might happen to those there legally, who never applied for US citizenship - if they had anything in their past, and left the country temporarily, there could be issues getting back in



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    They already went after a legal one, let alone illegal. Her issue was that she had a historic drug conviction which had been quashed at state level, but not federal.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/08/irish-woman-cliona-ward-detained-us-immigration-released-17-days-custody



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,587 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    I’ve zero sympathy for anyone caught, there is a reasonable process there for you to follow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    This makes one wonder, even if you have legal status in the US, the status is uncertain. 17 days in custody are certainly not pleasant, most likely having to eat horrible food, no access to internet, spending time in windowless rooms, friends and family not even knowing, and even if, not certain on how to help.

    Travel even as a tourist seems uncertain under Trump and even documented and legal work in the US seems to be a challenge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    What’s legal and illegal can change at a whim of the dictators pen these days over there

    The naturalised citizens whom were originally Irish must be having some dreadful realisations in the back of their minds while they defend detention of other citizens in parallel thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭EmergencyExit


    No sympathy for them whatsoever. Nations should enforce their borders and people should obey the law. A lot of these chancers went in on 3 month visas and have overstayed their welcome. Best they leave before they are caught.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I wouldn't mind if illegals are removed, any country does it. However it's just more a question about ways and means. As far as I know is that in Canada a judge looks over the case and would issue a deportation order. So it's a legal process. Same goes for an immigrant who is doing illegal drugs or other crimes and gets caught, then the visa is revoked and has to go.

    In the US it's a grey area, changes at a whim of "executive orders" even for documented immigrants working legally and the US looks more and more to be a country like a dictatorship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,058 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,350 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Hopefully a few builders are sent back here, badly needed!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,537 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    I would suggest that people drive carefully. Many people come to the attention of the authorities when they have a driving offence, it was on the radio recently that a Donegal man (with US wife and children) was being shipped back here after being stopped for a driving offence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    I know a couple of lads who were deported based on a traffic stop a number of years ago.

    They were held in a few detention centers and the other inmates couldn't believe they were so unlucky to get deported because of a traffic stop.

    A lot of north eastern states see themselves as "sanctuary states" and prevent local law enforcement from passing on information to ICE.

    So someone caught speeding the police would not go looking for their proof of status.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,141 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,587 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Lots of Irish people overstayed their visas, if they get caught then that’s their own fault. Don’t turn up somewhere without the proper documentation and don’t overstay your visa, it’s not hard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,493 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Sorry if you are in the USA illegally, there have been many options to "legalise" yourself. Amnesties, lawyers, etc.

    Having spent thousands in lawyers fees to legalise myself, why should someone just rock up and have no penalties imposed on them for doing something illegal. I don't care if you have made a life here, have children here, work here, the fact of the matter is you have had many chances to make yourself a legitimate resident/citizen.

    Currently, it is getting much harder to gain the Green Card. Interviews, histories, etc…etc… lots of hurdles getting in the way of becoming a permanent resident of the States. As it should be in any country.

    Having lived in many countries full-time (7 over the years). Gaining residency is not easy and costs money and time. I have always followed the law. It gives peace of mind, the ability to work, pay taxes etc, without the authorities becoming involved.

    Living in a country as an immigrant is a privilege, not a right. Do it legally!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭BP_RS3813


    So when its mexicans and indians being deported and found out its fine but the moment its us Irish getting sent back there is an issue and we need a 'deal' to protect us? Lovely logic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,671 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    If you're in a country illegally then obviously you shouldn't do that (presumably most just overstay on a visitor's visa). But having said that, it's very different if you've been there for a few months extra, or if you've been there for years and years, have laid down roots and have kids/etc. Show some compassion.

    I'd argue the exact same here. If you're here ages because our system takes too long or whatever, it's immoral to deport those people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,306 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Absolutely not the case. Nobody does these things without knowing that they're breaking the law - or at the very least, taking a chance that they'll be caught.

    It's on them - not the State or the natives - if they are eventually found out and forced to face the consequences.

    This applies whether they're Irish abroad, or people chancing their arm here. The only one at fault and who should feel sorry is the individual involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Don't think the natives ever got much say in the USA about immigration policy!

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,587 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    That just rewards people for not doing it legally. Why spend money doing it legally when you can wheel out a sob story, like illegal migration here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,537 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    I suspect that under Trump passing on information is not option. This guy seemed to be in the Boston area.

    But some people have no sense. There was another publicised case in the US of a young woman who was illegal and who had no proper driving licence as a consequence. But she still decided to drive like a lube and not only got done for that but was shipped out of the country also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,430 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Sorry if you are in the USA illegally, there have been many options to "legalise" yourself. Amnesties, lawyers, etc.

    Having spent thousands in lawyers fees to legalise myself,

    Out of curiosity how did you regularize your status?

    On what basis did you argue your case ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I'd only partially agree with you. If a country issues you a visa, you can consider it a privilege, but in the end, it's your right as well. It's a legal status and right and you can legally and securely also plan. And that right exists until you break the law, the visa gets revoked and you get deported. Only fair that way. But just revoking Green Cards just on a whim, is just a lot of nonsense.

    Most countries have made immigration harder or impossible due to domestic issues, like lack of housing supply or lack of economic prospects or unemployment in the country.

    The question is also on how attractive the United States still is for an Irish immigrant these days wishing or deciding to work illegally and undocumented with the threat of getting deported any time. Visas hard to get, working illegally risky and pay probably bad, and with an Irish passport one could chose Germany or France or some other place in Europe, if it's not to be Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,493 ✭✭✭NSAman


    EB1.

    Still took a long long time and there were interviews and lots of paperwork to submit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,493 ✭✭✭NSAman


    It depends. Europe is a different case in point. Under the free movement of people it IS your right. Once you are out of the EU then it is a privilege IMHO, as a European.

    As I have stated I have lived in various parts of the world and see it as a privilege. Could it be deemed taking a local persons employment? (yes it could) but also there are the other factors which are brought into play, experience, expertise etc. etc. The fact that any government would want me in their country I view as a privilege.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,950 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Did I hear recently that a lot of Irish in the US have stopped socialising, attending their local gaa club etc, for fear of being lifted there by ICE?



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