Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Leaving aside the 'support' jibe, the World has seen what happened on October 7, unlike the population of Israel who are shown carefully filtered versions of the barbarism their Gov and military are conducting in Gaza.

No, they haven’t. Your "carefully filtered" claim doesn’t hold up. Internet access isn’t restricted in Israel, and it’s a small country—you’d hear firsthand accounts from soldiers returning from Gaza long before anything reaches us here. My Israeli friends watch news and TV shows from the US and UK online all the time.

As for the use of the word "support", it wasn’t a jibe. You know full well they wouldn’t have been greeted by unaffiliated, innocent civilians upon entering Gaza. The people on that boat may mean well, but to believe they could just sail into Gaza and be welcomed by innocent civilians is, frankly, naive.

In a statement from the Freedom Flotilla Corp

It's quite likely they have shown support in other ways too but felt this was important to do also. Let's not pretend Israel intercepted this ship for the good of all those on board. The people on board knew the risks they were undertaking. This is the same lie that is pedalled to justify not allowing press into Gaza . The IDF should have allowed the ship to dock in Gaza and for the aid to be distributed by UN organisations. You said there is no blockade of aid into Gaza so this ship should have been allowed through

"There are plenty of ways to support Palestinian civilians—especially for wealthy individuals like them—without entering a war zone."

Could you name a few of these "plenty of ways" please?

It always fascinates me the ire that Greta derives from challenging the insecurities of grown men…

Anyway while the world is distracted with her and her flotilla, lets not forget the psychopatic nation state that is Israel continues its slaughtering of innocents on an industrial scale.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/02/israel-strikes-gaza-schools-strategy

Multiple sources, I linked rte earlier. I googled Israel ramming it, no results. Perhaps you can link a news report that does?

In reply to Dub in Glasgow.

On Point No.6 - it was the Israeli regime who restarted their 'war' against the Gazan population in mid-March. Hamas had laid down their arms and were fully observing the ceasefire.

Are you under the impression that it was Hamas who recommenced hostilities?

That may be your interpretation of events, but it’s beside the point I was making. Whether or not you believe Hamas was observing a ceasefire in March doesn’t change the fact that they are currently holding hostages and continue to operate from outside Gaza under protection in other countries.

If you're serious about ending the war and protecting civilians, then pressuring those host governments to hand over Hamas leaders and push for the release of hostages is a logical, actionable step. Shifting the conversation to who fired first in March doesn’t change the reality of where the leadership is now—or the leverage that could be applied.

As I said in my original point, these celebrities could use their platforms and status to call for exactly that. It’s also telling how little many of them seem to have to say about the hostages.

It must be exhausting to continue to have to make things up.

The continued lies are very intentional at this stage; there is no way a person could be this ill-informed and ludicrously naive for so long.

Don't mind that poster. Even if the hostages were returned, they'd still be bombing the **** out of Gaza and butchering innocent men, women and children.

Watched a piece on Sky and it shows the IDF give the crew of Madeleen water and sandwiches, but they won't feed the starving Gazans. What a despicable bunch of cretins they are.

They didn't know full well.
The IDF could also have sunk it and killed everyone on board.

It is extremely revealing that the one thing that we all knew was impossible, was that the IDF would have allowed this boat with aid for starving people to land safely and distribute that aid

Why is that I wonder?

(and the nonsense about it being for their own safety because Hamas are so evil is utter bullsh1t, there hasn't been a single instance of a western peace activist being kidnapped or killed by Hamas, plenty of instances of the IDF murdering them though)

You inferred you had seen coverage of the boarding, now it transpires that you did not but you dismiss the statements from those that were there

What is it about my original point that you’re so intent on changing the subject?

I was specifically addressing how these celebrities could use their platforms to pressure the states that are harboring Hamas leadership—a practical step they seem to be avoiding. It’s also striking how little many of them have said about the hostages, who remain at the heart of this crisis for some of us. These celebrities are quick to put pressure on Israel, but I’m arguing that they could also use their status to pressure Hamas leaders through the countries that harbor them.

To suggest that pressuring Hamas leadership into surrendering—which would bring an end to the war—would not benefit innocent civilians in Gaza is nonsensical. The two efforts are not mutually exclusive; they can put pressure on both sides simultaneously.

It is really bizarre. Imagine if China or Russia had rammed and seized a similar boat in International waters?

Even the US. They make it clear that they don't accept any danger to their citizens anywhere in the world - except for when the get attacked by zionists.Whether that be Rachel Corrie, or even the more recent US citizens within Gaza. I remember seeing footage of a lady in a hospital crying because all her family had been killed by a zionist airstrike. She had her passport and her dead family members passports in her hand. They were US passports and they had been moving to an area they had been told to move to, along a route they had been told to take, in order to try to get evacuated. But ended up getting blown to pieces. The lady was likely originally Palestinian by her dress and the fact she was crying and wailing in Arabic. But she had the same class of US passport that a US-born WASP would have.

Let's transpose the above scenario to a hypothetical Donbass where at the invasion, Russia tells US passport holders where to go to evacuate, tells them the route and the time to take that route, and then hits their convoy with a missile strike. Would it have been similarly swept under the carpet? Does anyone believe it would have been?