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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    Newstalk or RTE should do a poll to see how people feel about these deportations. It might be eye opening. Sick of listening to them, as another poster said, undermining our laws and legal processes. While I think of it, there’s plenty of room in Montrose for an IPAS centre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,013 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    He was on RTE breakfast on Friday morning, it was nauseating to listen to.

    It's crap that these peoples kids are getting their lives up ended, nobody is revelling in their situation, but there has to be some line in the sand for bogus claimants. The only people responsible for these kids being put through this are their parents.

    The school principal was really laying it on with a trowel in that interview. Kids leave primary school classes all the time, kids get over these things, my own kids have seen friends leave school and they get over it.

    The principal is making out that this is a deeply wounding experience that will have ongoing repercussions for these kids class mates. It's really irresponsible of this man to be courting media attention in this way and his efforts would be better spent attending to the needs of his pupils.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭BandyMandy


    They were in the country illegally, they got deported. The parents are fully responsible, no one else. And yet we have a school principal on national radio, acting like this is some kind of national tragedy… Teachers have absolutely no place in the media pushing emotional narratives to stir up sympathy over a legal decision. It’s not their role. Keep them off the airwaves and in the classroom, and stop giving them airtime to grandstand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Paddy_Mag


    When irish families were emigrating 15 years ago after the Anglo crash, I'm sure there was young families leaving who had to take their kids out of schools, away from their friends etc. We didn't hear any school principals on the airwaves concerned about the devastating effect that would have had.

    We don't hear anyone on the national airwaves talking about generations of Irish people starting families on the far side of the world where their kids are total strangers to their grandparents.

    Gary Gannon is likely going to end up out on his ear after the next election, he has gone the SF route of ignoring those in his Constituency recently and has been shown up by them, some of the video clips are on twitter or youtube. I think he knows he has backed the wrong horse but has to toe the party line.

    Post edited by Paddy_Mag on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,694 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Not to mention the generation of Irish young adults that are stuck living at home into their 30s, unable to start families, blocked from the main milestones that make up life through no fault of their own.
    Forced to tread water for their prime years with no opportunities for self actualisation, their country’s back turned to them, indifferent.
    No such sympathy for them, unfortunately they’re not as attractive a cause celebre for the would be virtue signaller.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Paddy_Mag


    I think FF are the main drivers behind the immigration u-turn in the last 6 months. They needed the greens and FG in the previous coalition so didn't rock the boat to endanger Michael MArtins opportunity to be Taoiseach. Now they have a bit more of the balance of power they are reading the room a lot more I think, I'd say they powers that be in FF see this as one way to redevelop the parties base support.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭EmergencyExit


    What U turn? They've sent a couple of plane fulls back. There should be that each and every day that would be a U turn worth talking about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Glad that we are all agreeing that democratic principles and freedom of the press are important things to safeguard.

    Now what was it your post was about.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Its not the principal is showing compassion, its that the story is being used by certain parties and members of the media seem to be pushing this as a reason to change the asylum law and not deport any children, which completely undermine the whole system. You would have people arriving here, chancing their arm, knowing full well they'll never be deported. The principal now appears to be the story as much as the deportees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Oh yes it is because the principal is showing compassion. But more specifically to whom he is showing that compassionate feeling. Post after angry post because he is showing compassion to immigrants. Let's not pretend it is anything less than what it is.

    Because boards quoting is nonexistent here is two examples from page 211 on mobile.

    Here is quote where a poster is angry because of it.

    When irish families were emigrating 15 years ago after the Anglo crash, I'm sure there was young families leaving who had to take their kids out of schools, away from their friends etc. We didn't hear any school principals on the airwaves concerned about the devastating effect that would have had.

    Here is another example from another post.

    parents are fully responsible, no one else. And yet we have a school principal on national radio, acting like this is some kind of national tragedy…

    Another example

    He was on RTE breakfast on Friday morning, it was nauseating to listen to.

    The media is mainly looking for clicks and nothing will drive media consumption like anger. So maybe people angry at what they publish is exactly what they media want.

    Post edited by RobbieTheRobber on

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Deportation by its very nature is going to be traumatic for the children, but this rests squarely on the shoulders of the parent or parents. They would have been offered the chance for voluntary deportations, a one off money payment and their flights paid for, but they choose to ignore that and ultimately ended up with the forced option. Just be thankful they weren't being held in Cloverhill like the other 28 deportees.

    We are already seen as a soft touch, any further softening or rowing back on our rules and procedures will cause us dire consequences in the future. But ultimately speeding up and streamlining of the process is what is needed. And this will help to send the signal to any wannabe illegal entrants that abuse of the system won't be tolerated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭BandyMandy


    Compassion doesn’t override the law. This principal isn’t just being empathetic, he’s using his role to push a political agenda and drum up sympathy for people who broke immigration laws. That’s not what he’s there for. Sure, the media feeds on outrage. If he wants to be an activist, he should leave the classroom and do it on his own time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    What has the principal done that over rides the principal of law?

    Do we want to ban people from freely expressing their opinion?

    Or is it only this principal that should not be allowed to express his opinion because some don't like it?

    Freedom of expression needs to be a Binary choice. On or Off.

    Not on for opinions I agree with and off for those I oppose.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    So if you agree deportation is traumatic and that the principal is a key role as a care giver to children then surely it would be easy to understand why the principal may be empathic and have compassion for the children in this situation.

    I mean surely school principals who care for those under their care is something we should strive for not attack with vitriol just because his opinion doesn't align exactly with yours.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Of course he has a right to his opinion, but his opinion is being platformed more than the opinion of people who agree or want stricter deportations. The principal is now becoming the story as much as the deportees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    I didn't hear the article on the news.

    I haven't sought out the piece to listen to it.

    I haven't read about the principals opinion in any other media I consume apart from this thread on boards.

    Within this thread I read post after angry post by anti immigrant posters about this principal.

    Now I ask you, who is really giving this principal and his voice a platform?

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    The Nigerians are kicking off on various social media sites about the deportations.

    It's great to see the Irish putting them in their place in the comments.

    As for this teacher going on and on about the kids being settled here for years, what he won't say is the reason it takes so long is the endless appeal process and the refusal of people who are given a deportation order to leave the country voluntarily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭Thorny Queen


    This makes me sick. Letterkenny as a town is a No Go area. I would love a night out in Letterkenny to relive my youth but I neither feel safe there now, nor can I afford it.

    It is well known around Letterkenny that there are at least 3 foreign gangs who have taken over the town. The recent protest came about as a result a violent assault on a local barber who was out walking his dog and verbals with one of these gangs.

    Stuff you don't read about in the media!

    Mod - warned for ignoring moderator instruction re anecdotes

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The Nigerians are kicking off

    All 250m of them?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This is just conspiracy drivel. Letterkenny is not a "no go area".

    What evidence do you have for this?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,450 ✭✭✭enricoh


    The housing minister has stopped buying social housing in numerous estates due to being too expensive.

    The previous batch of houses came in at an average of e277k + vat @ 13.5%. doesn't sound off the wall price wise to me.

    Unfortunately, the journal.ie journalist/activist didn't ask him if providing 70m square modular housing on a free site at 440k a pop for Ukrainian srepresented value for money! We can safely assume everyone of these Ukrainian sites are now shuttered, I take it!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭Floppybits




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭Thorny Queen


    How are discounting what I said...do you live near there?

    Read up recent court convictions in Letterkenny and come back to me.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'm from Donegal and I know the area quite well, easily enough to spot conspiracy drivel whenever the place is mentioned.

    I have no interest in researching your argument for you.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭Thorny Queen


    I don't have the time or energy to do the same so bye. You must live a very sheltered life.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No, I just don't like it when people drag my home county's name through the mud with conspiracy nonsense. Usually, I ignore this tired old racist trope. I only engaged this time because this is somewhere I am intimately familiar with.

    Last word's yours if you want it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    This is not something that I would expect to read about in the national media but I would expect it would be covered by the local media either in Letterkenny itself or those outlets dealing with news and current affairs in Donegal.

    The national media won't cover this unless something happens that brings it into focus, they will only cover bigger stories that has national interest, like for example joyriders, we hear hardly anything about this, yet it happens most nights in certain areas but if say they hit a child or god forbid kill someone then they will focus on it and we will see reporters out there interviewing people who will say that nothing has been done and have been scourged by it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    But you have also made the counter claim that it's "not a no go" area so shouldn't you back that up?



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Mod note:

    I would like to remind everyone about the no anecdotes guideline on this thread. Please read the OP. The last few posts are a good example of why we had to put it in place.

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