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Choosing a new Touring Bike

  • 07-06-2025 12:16PM
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    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    So I've been using my Boardman Gravel bike (8.9ADV from Halfords) the last 2 summers to tour in France and I've been thinking of going for a touring bike specifically for this years trip. The main reason being that while the gravel bike has served me well I find on the climbs it has always seemed a couple of gears short and while I've been fortunate in terms of any issues I do worry that it might be more complicated to keep it running if I had any serious mechanicals. I can change a tube, maybe fix a broken chain and thats about it.

    So finding a dedicated touring bike in Ireland isn't easy. The Tour de Fer range looks good and is available via the bike rack so I've been seriously considering one of them. Looking at their website I'm trying to determine what I'm getting at each price point.

    Tour de Fer 20 - €1749
    Tour de Fer 30 - €2150
    Tour de Fer 40 - €2599

    The Tour de Fer 30 has flat bars which I'm not keen on (but maybe they can source a drops version) so I'm really looking at what the main differences are between the 20 and 40. Drivetrain seems to be the main thing. I don't know if I would notice the difference as someone who is touring and essentially riding for leaisure all be it over distance and the price difference is high. That said I'd happily go the extra and buy the 40 if it was going to serve me for years to come. Maybe I shold be looking at other models somewhere else? Any opinions appreciated.



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Why not just change your cassette or chain set?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,565 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    genesis bikes have gone really expensive; 2.6k for a bike with tiagra and cable activated brakes seems steep. and it's still the most basic steel frame genesis use.
    if you went for the equilibrium, it's currently cheaper, with a better groupset and better frame (105 and reynolds 725).

    i do like the names of the colours they specify though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭cyfac


    2nd switching the gearing option I tour on gravel bike and changed from a single 40-42 set up to a double running 46-28 with 11-34 on the back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,145 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,145 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    The 40 also has dynamo lights which would be very useful for touring.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Yeah that did occur to me. Must have a chat with the local shop. I wouldn't know where to begin myself.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Equilibrium is a road bike though so weight limit would be a factor from a touring point of view. Also easy maintenance is key. In terms of cost maybe the tour de fer 20 is enough for the likes of me. Probably wouldn't notice the difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,145 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    Another option would be to get your LBS to do a build for you with your own specifications. Often works out cheaper than an 'off the shelf' bike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Cetyl Palmitate


    You could fly to the US and back with this as a pretty solid base for far less than the genesis



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,565 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    yeah, but that bike can cause cancer in california.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,565 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Does the same not apply to the (I think aluminium) gravel bike you've been using?

    The steel frame on the equilibrium is not going to be flimsy (speaking as an equilibrium owner myself).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,552 ✭✭✭CantGetNoSleep


    I'm a big fan of Genesis (had a Croix de Fer for a long time, a Tour de Fer for a year, and still own an Equilibrium which I am going to sell), but I'd be hesitant about buying any of the linked bikes.

    Aside from being way too expensive for the spec, the other things to watch out for are weight (especially with the steel fork), and Genesis have been very slow to adopt some modern standards (thru axle wheels, flat mount brakes etc).

    Apart from looking at an Equilibrium as already mentioned, for 2000-2500€ I'd probably look at my own build. Eg find a frameset on sale (you might get a Ritchey Outback for 1200€), GRX 11-speed groupset (600€), DT Swiss GR1600 wheelset and tires (500€) and finishing kit (200€). You could probably do it even cheaper too.

    Another alternative to the Genesis is Fairlight (founder is the former Genesis designer). You won't save money and there is a waiting time but very nice bikes



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,189 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    I can't really follow your logic… if you want a better gear range then all you need to do is play around with the mechanics on your current bike, if you want an easy to maintain bike on the road then buy an older bike….

    I bought my touring bike over 30 years ago, new - a Dawes Super Galaxy. And although I have other bikes, it's the one I take on long tours over the summer months now that I'm retired. The main reason is maintenance - I have striped it down and put it back to gather countless times, the mechanisms are simple and widely available. And so long as I can get access to a farmer's workshop I'm confident I can keep it on the road. And have done.

    An approach I'd suggest is buy a good quality touring bike second hand for a few hundred Euros and build it up. That way you end up with a bike the exactly matches your needs and you are competent to maintain it on the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    In the last 20 years since I took up cycling one thing I've repeatedly met is the most competent people from all walks of life with no interest and/or ability in maintaining their bikes.

    The turn that the bike industry has taken in last decade or so has made that a more expensive group to be a part of.

    Hydraulic disc brakes are trickier to set up and require a new skillset set, ditto di2.

    Integrated cockpits and internal cable routing and the like are just retarded just adding cost to the end user.

    Old tourer or mechanical disc bike with cheap MTB gearing would be a great option.

    I'm thinking of going to one bike and my current gravel bike a genesis fugio with mechanical would make a decent tourer, strong, especially with smaller wheels, lots of fixing points,full mudguards.

    @CantGetNoSleep how is the fair light working out? Is it a Secan 3.0? Please say cables are externally routed?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,189 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Oh I very much enjoy the new tech, but most of my tours start where I live here on the edge of the Berner Oberland in Switzerland. And as I'm too old for the high Alps I often head into France or Germany. And in particular in France there are vast tracks of it that are empty, so being self sufficient and aware of the fact that resupply is difficult as the village shops are no more in many areas is important.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,552 ✭✭✭CantGetNoSleep


    Yes it's a Secan 3.0. Fully external (and Fairlight say that will never change thank god). I love it so far, I've been using it as a road bike with 38mm slick tires.

    If I offload the Equilibrium (I can't go above 3 bikes as they don't get used), I'm even considering adding a Strael 4.0 to my fleet to have one bike permanently set up for gravel. Also considering a Specialized Crux which is another externally routed bike.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Thanks for the feedback all. I would love to be able to maintain my current bike in all aspects or build a bike from scratch but I don't have that knowledge or ability right now. I'm leaving in 4 weeks which doesn't leave much time so looks like improving what I've got is the best option. Hopefully in the next 12 months I can find the time to educate myself. Sometimes life gets in the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Just stick the biggest cassette you can on it for this summer, put up what you have and whether 10/11 or 12 speed.

    There'll will be more touring friendly option, a wolftooth or the like might be needed.

    Small enough money which will transform use of bike.

    Ime mechanical disk if set up right are in the "good enough" category and very simple to replace pads and adjust.

    Another option to a dedicated touring bike is stick a trailer on your regular bike; comes with downsides of course



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,049 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    I did wonder how every single bicycle lock I looked at could be risky enough to require a warning, and this clarified a lot:

    https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/warning-this-podcast-contains-chemicals-known-to-the-state-of-california-to-cause-cancer-or-other-reproductive-harm/



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,565 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i wonder if people copped the reason for that comment!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,049 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    My bikes are all oldish and holding up well, including a Dawes Horizon entry-level touring bike, which I just use a general utility bike, rather than for touring.

    I have to say, I dread the idea of getting a new bike, for reasons that come up in threads like this. I really like a simple bike that doesn't need many special tools and that can be kludged back into operation if necessary, but is still made from good enough components that it doesn't require constant readjustment.

    Anyway, nothing to do with touring, per se. I suppose I can always try making a minimalist bike when the Dawes is stolen or breaks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,299 ✭✭✭nilhg


    Some ideas for the OP here perhaps?

    https://dotwatcher.cc/feature/bikes-of-transatlantic-way-2025



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Cetyl Palmitate




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,565 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    interesting choice of a brooks B17 on one of those bikes; my experience with them is they're nice and comfy for short spins, but definitely not a choice for long spins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭ARX


    B17 is (in my experience) a great touring saddle. Maybe not the thing for doing 200 km a day (never gone that far on one), but I've done 100 km per day for prolonged periods and it was supremely comfortable.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Some good stuff there but I probably should have said I'm not really a bikepacker. I tend to make the distinction between touring (panniers - slow, casual, taking in the sights) and bikepacking (light load - more speed orientated). Maybe I've got the definitions wrong but either way I've tried travelling light and with a bigger load. I'm definitely more of the slow pace type who will stop regularly to take some pics., feed the ducks etc. arriving at the airbnb and be able to pull out the laptop and watch netflix or do some gaming.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,565 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i find them too wide for long spins; might just be down to anatomy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,299 ✭✭✭nilhg


    Point taken but many of those bikes are eminently suitable for slow touring with pictures of ducks, it's just the bags hanging off them that might be different



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Yes very true. There is even one who says he is normally a pannier guy.



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