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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 06/06/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 237 ✭✭Roald Dahl


    Those two old ornery carpetbaggers, The King and The Duke.

    Will the townsfolk finally rally together and ride these two rapscallions out of town on a rail?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,998 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It seems the management of US defence matters have plans to change the supervision of Greenland's defence from a joint US/European Command jurisdiction to one of sole US [Northern] command according to several US officials. This decision would treat Greenland more like Canada than as part of the Kingdom of Denmark, which it is as a matter of fact. It's already plain that JD Vance has his eyes on Greenland, seeing it as a necessary part of US national defence to the extent he had the Comdr of the USAF base there relieved of command on the basis of a comment by her of the Islands status as Danish territory.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭wanderer 22


    The file name has the word 'edit' in it so...!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,871 ✭✭✭plodder


    How did Howard Lutnick walk himself into this? Political naivety aside, it's a pretty good illustration of how trade policy is a machine that's finely adjusted and tuned over decades, and you can't just knock it down and rebuild it with a sledgehammer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭pjordan


    Oh the irony of Trump's comments comparing the situation between Russia and Ukraine to a fight between schoolboys.

    I also heard him cringeworthily suggest to Merz, who had to remind him of the significance of June 6th, that "Oh yeah, D-day was a bad day for ye guys" before Merz explained to him that actually it was the start of liberating Germany from the spell and scourge of Nazism.

    Another beautiful irony there, one would hope, for a man so ignorant of history, that we are witnessing history repeating itself with the beginning of the end…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,998 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Allegedly this is a response from DJT on his website to what Musk did and said. The use of Elon instead of Musk leads me to doubt its sincerity. The threat of a massive increase in tax if the BBB is not passed is DJT waving a cudgel at the Senate and Congress without his usual "thank you for your attention" comment.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,875 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Lol, he's such an idiot.

    He said once deals are reached with countries, the tariff will go to zero ('deals' done with China and the UK and the tariffs are still there). He also says tariffs are here to stay (the base rate)

    Both can't be right. The administration simply has no clue and are just following Trump's lead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,386 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Musk has too much money for Trump to try to get to him using US state apparatus. He may hurt him but Musk will hurt Trump back. At present both sides aides are trying to get them on the phone to each other to patch it up.

    As Musk pointed out to politicians Trump has 3.5 years left he could be around for another 40 years. Look at Rupert Murdock his influence still prevails.

    In 2026 Congress will be totally reelected and 33/34 Senate seats a lot of tge senate seats are Republican. This will probably get sorted but it will be interesting to see who climbs down

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,166 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Musk's wealth is based on lavish state handouts which can be cut any time Trump chooses. There's nothing Musk can do about that and the second Trump signs that order, Musk is done. Tesla's already taken a hit in its stock value as it is.

    With regards to Trump and Murdoch, the difference here is that Murdoch is a man who built an empire from nothing and remains still lucid regardless of my own personal distaste for him. Trump was handed everything on a silver platter and ran business after business into the ground. The two are nothing alike.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,386 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Lutnick Is BSing is not the BBB dependent on tariffs for to finance it

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,832 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah Musk is certainly not the engineering tech-genius he and his fans make him out to be, but the things he is good at are shoring up share prices and getting government grants and contracts (usually based on lofty promises knowing they won't deliver on them).

    If a lot of those grants and contracts start being pulled, it will definitely have a huge impact on Musk's wealth which is entirely based on his shares in his companies.

    That said, he has been allowed to absolutely bury his companies so deep into the US infrastructure at this stage that it would even be difficult for Trump to get rid of him.

    The war between Musk & Trump may be the only war Trump is actually able to fix in the near future.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,166 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The only thing I could disagree with here is your penultimate sentence. Musk might be too integrated into the US' infrastructure to remove without a great deal of cost and pain but this only matters if the President cares about infrastructure and Americans' welfare. I think Trump is going to enjoy holding the Sword of Damocles over Musk for a while before he drops it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,166 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No. It's much worse than that. An idiot would look at how bedazzlingly complex trade is and immediately panic and dump the whole brief on someone who knew what they were doing. Trump is instead using a chain saw on something delicate and in a constant state of flux.

    This book is an excellent primer on the subject if anyone is interested:

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.co.uk%2FWhy-Politicians-Lie-About-Trade%2Fdp%2F1914487117&psig=AOvVaw0d-nT9ev6LCmwB6v3j6Zju&ust=1749294451630000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBkQjhxqFwoTCLC3zeXT3I0DFQAAAAAdAAAAABAK

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭Economics101


    And this guy ran a major financial institution, Cantor Fitzgerald. They survived not only 9/11 (New York office wiped out), but also being run by the likes of Lutnick. Some stress test!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭storker




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,149 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I foresee that at least one will manage to jam an ICE into it and tune it so that black smoke belches out the back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,648 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    In essence Musk`s dream party based on those crireria would be GOP Mark 2.

    How many supporters that would peel away from the Trump cult is questionable, but when it comes to politics often it is not the rise in support for your opposition that gets you. It`s the leakage to breakaway factions from your own base support. In the mid-terms, or in a presidential election as regards swing states, even a small percentage could swing those elections.

    Canny political parties with cool heads could to a large degree negate that, but that is not what we have with this present GOP Trump cult. Like all cults no criticism is allowed and is met with a lower than a snakes belly level of viciousness which would just add to the vote leakage. Hopefully that is what plays out as other than them tearing themselves apart, the Democrates to date haven`t laid a glove on them. But then perhaps the Democrates did call this right when they predicted this was what would happen.

    Even if Musk`s idea on a new party doesn`t happen, it`s difficult to see him pouring money into the MAGA cult after this, which come election times will have an effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Tariffs were supposed to pay for zero income tax (5 trillion), in fairness DOGE were also suppose to find 2 trillion of savings (think they found 100bil).

    Leaves 3 trillion, roughly the amount the US imports in goods each year. So they need a permanent 100% tariff on everything to balance that part.

    That's if he wants to fulfill another election promise of a balanced budget.

    Promise everything, delivery nothing! I'd expect nothing less from a felon fraudster.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Fun Times,

    II wonder Which of them will crack first and go ape.

    I forsee a lot of dirt coming out on trump, and crazy retaliation towards Musk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Nutlick really is stupid. Who would have guessed? I assumed he was only trolling the American people up to now, but this clip proves he really is that stupid.

    Ambushed by a banana.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Russia is now offering Musk (and all that data he exfiltrated on Americans) asylum

    🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭bog master




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,881 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,832 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Reports were that White House aides are trying to arrange a call between Trump & Musk to get it sorted, but Trump has just told CNN that he won't be speaking to Musk for a while.

    "President Donald Trump told CNN this morning that he is “not even thinking about” billionaire Elon Musk and won’t be speaking to him in the near future.

    “I’m not even thinking about Elon. He’s got a problem. The poor guy’s got a problem,” Trump said.

    The comments come after a day in which Trump and Musk traded barbs on social media as their relationship publicly deteriorated.

    In a brief phone call, Trump talked about the forthcoming jobs report, inflation and gas prices.

    Asked if he had a call with Musk, he responded: “No. I won’t be speaking to him for a while I guess, but I wish him well.”"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,881 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's not the first time I've seen a banana used as a smoking gun, but it's certainly the best.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Musks issue is the fact that if you exclude his massive wealth he has absolutely NOTHING going for him.

    He has zero charisma , zero ability to connect with people and zero understanding of how people work.

    Irrespective of how abhorrent we all may find him , Trump has those things in spades - At least for the cult of personality that make up the bulk of his core support.

    Trump knows exactly what to say and how to say it to those people - Musk simply does not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,926 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    If you think that was revealing?
    There was a follow up that really reveals the depth of Lutnick's and by extension the entire WH economic teams lack of economic competence.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Musk really is the Justin Hammer of Iron Man 2! More money than sense.



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