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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,607 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Musk has too much money for Trump to try to get to him using US state apparatus. He may hurt him but Musk will hurt Trump back. At present both sides aides are trying to get them on the phone to each other to patch it up.

    As Musk pointed out to politicians Trump has 3.5 years left he could be around for another 40 years. Look at Rupert Murdock his influence still prevails.

    In 2026 Congress will be totally reelected and 33/34 Senate seats a lot of tge senate seats are Republican. This will probably get sorted but it will be interesting to see who climbs down

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,172 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Musk's wealth is based on lavish state handouts which can be cut any time Trump chooses. There's nothing Musk can do about that and the second Trump signs that order, Musk is done. Tesla's already taken a hit in its stock value as it is.

    With regards to Trump and Murdoch, the difference here is that Murdoch is a man who built an empire from nothing and remains still lucid regardless of my own personal distaste for him. Trump was handed everything on a silver platter and ran business after business into the ground. The two are nothing alike.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,607 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Lutnick Is BSing is not the BBB dependent on tariffs for to finance it

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,045 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah Musk is certainly not the engineering tech-genius he and his fans make him out to be, but the things he is good at are shoring up share prices and getting government grants and contracts (usually based on lofty promises knowing they won't deliver on them).

    If a lot of those grants and contracts start being pulled, it will definitely have a huge impact on Musk's wealth which is entirely based on his shares in his companies.

    That said, he has been allowed to absolutely bury his companies so deep into the US infrastructure at this stage that it would even be difficult for Trump to get rid of him.

    The war between Musk & Trump may be the only war Trump is actually able to fix in the near future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,172 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The only thing I could disagree with here is your penultimate sentence. Musk might be too integrated into the US' infrastructure to remove without a great deal of cost and pain but this only matters if the President cares about infrastructure and Americans' welfare. I think Trump is going to enjoy holding the Sword of Damocles over Musk for a while before he drops it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,172 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No. It's much worse than that. An idiot would look at how bedazzlingly complex trade is and immediately panic and dump the whole brief on someone who knew what they were doing. Trump is instead using a chain saw on something delicate and in a constant state of flux.

    This book is an excellent primer on the subject if anyone is interested:

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.co.uk%2FWhy-Politicians-Lie-About-Trade%2Fdp%2F1914487117&psig=AOvVaw0d-nT9ev6LCmwB6v3j6Zju&ust=1749294451630000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBkQjhxqFwoTCLC3zeXT3I0DFQAAAAAdAAAAABAK

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭Economics101


    And this guy ran a major financial institution, Cantor Fitzgerald. They survived not only 9/11 (New York office wiped out), but also being run by the likes of Lutnick. Some stress test!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,763 ✭✭✭storker




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,812 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I foresee that at least one will manage to jam an ICE into it and tune it so that black smoke belches out the back.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,345 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    In essence Musk`s dream party based on those crireria would be GOP Mark 2.

    How many supporters that would peel away from the Trump cult is questionable, but when it comes to politics often it is not the rise in support for your opposition that gets you. It`s the leakage to breakaway factions from your own base support. In the mid-terms, or in a presidential election as regards swing states, even a small percentage could swing those elections.

    Canny political parties with cool heads could to a large degree negate that, but that is not what we have with this present GOP Trump cult. Like all cults no criticism is allowed and is met with a lower than a snakes belly level of viciousness which would just add to the vote leakage. Hopefully that is what plays out as other than them tearing themselves apart, the Democrates to date haven`t laid a glove on them. But then perhaps the Democrates did call this right when they predicted this was what would happen.

    Even if Musk`s idea on a new party doesn`t happen, it`s difficult to see him pouring money into the MAGA cult after this, which come election times will have an effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Tariffs were supposed to pay for zero income tax (5 trillion), in fairness DOGE were also suppose to find 2 trillion of savings (think they found 100bil).

    Leaves 3 trillion, roughly the amount the US imports in goods each year. So they need a permanent 100% tariff on everything to balance that part.

    That's if he wants to fulfill another election promise of a balanced budget.

    Promise everything, delivery nothing! I'd expect nothing less from a felon fraudster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Fun Times,

    II wonder Which of them will crack first and go ape.

    I forsee a lot of dirt coming out on trump, and crazy retaliation towards Musk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,922 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Nutlick really is stupid. Who would have guessed? I assumed he was only trolling the American people up to now, but this clip proves he really is that stupid.

    Ambushed by a banana.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Russia is now offering Musk (and all that data he exfiltrated on Americans) asylum

    🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭bog master




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,114 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,045 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Reports were that White House aides are trying to arrange a call between Trump & Musk to get it sorted, but Trump has just told CNN that he won't be speaking to Musk for a while.

    "President Donald Trump told CNN this morning that he is “not even thinking about” billionaire Elon Musk and won’t be speaking to him in the near future.

    “I’m not even thinking about Elon. He’s got a problem. The poor guy’s got a problem,” Trump said.

    The comments come after a day in which Trump and Musk traded barbs on social media as their relationship publicly deteriorated.

    In a brief phone call, Trump talked about the forthcoming jobs report, inflation and gas prices.

    Asked if he had a call with Musk, he responded: “No. I won’t be speaking to him for a while I guess, but I wish him well.”"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,114 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's not the first time I've seen a banana used as a smoking gun, but it's certainly the best.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Musks issue is the fact that if you exclude his massive wealth he has absolutely NOTHING going for him.

    He has zero charisma , zero ability to connect with people and zero understanding of how people work.

    Irrespective of how abhorrent we all may find him , Trump has those things in spades - At least for the cult of personality that make up the bulk of his core support.

    Trump knows exactly what to say and how to say it to those people - Musk simply does not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,839 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    If you think that was revealing?
    There was a follow up that really reveals the depth of Lutnick's and by extension the entire WH economic teams lack of economic competence.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Musk really is the Justin Hammer of Iron Man 2! More money than sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    I'm no Musk fan whatsoever, but as a person who has run a few companies I'm sure he's able to connect with people and also understand how people work! What you have posted is nonsense.

    You'd swear the guy was non verbal and living in his bedroom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    As someone who ran a company here in Europe he wouldn’t get away with treating employees like he has done in US (you can see how the German Tesla factory is different to US)

    The Americans are ok working for abusive cnuts and often prevented from litigation by employee unfriendly legislation and contracts that be frankly illegal here

    Some of the stories of how he treats employees (some of whom are migrants of course) at Tesla and SpaceX are horrifying in their cruelty



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The whole Tariff thing is utterly stupid and what makes is all the more stupid is that they really don't know what exactly they are trying to achieve.

    Trump ONLY negotiating tactic is to threaten to blow everything up and he thinks tariffs are his only weapon in that regard (because he's stupid).

    So he thinks that threatening massive tariffs will get everyone to bend to his will and give him what he wants , again because he's stupid but also because like all the MAGAs he has a grossly over-inflated opinion of how important the US is to global trade and on how much the world "relies" on them for success.

    Just as we saw with Brexit - it's the whole "They need us more than we need them" mentality that just speaks to their utter misunderstanding of modern Global trade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,180 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I wonder if Musk indirectly just sank Trumps pardon for The Diddler ? Being on Epstein island and freeing Diddy might be too much even for Trump…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,619 ✭✭✭plodder


    Of course, a small number of Americans got very rich out of the Great Depression .. including the Kennedys

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,345 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I, agree, other than his vast wealth Musk has nothing else going for him, but the benchmark at the minute isn`t exactly skyhigh.

    With Tesla going down the toilet, as well as the possibility of Trump slashing his funding for EVs and his space program, he would have enough to keep him busy without his fronting a new party. That wouldn`t mean that he could not find someone else to front it. Trump has got 3.5 years left and there are no shortage of wannabes who will be looking to take his place.

    Control of a large social media platform and wealth, of which Musk has both, would make him the ideal puppet master. He would not have to take Trump down during this term to show his muscle. Just do enough harm in the mid terms to the GOP to leave himself in the driving seat come the next presidential.

    I thought it a bit telling that he posted Trump has 3.5 years while he has 40+ as too his thinking, so hopefully he does go for it and in the process this cult devours itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Trump won’t stop now the feud continues

    Unfortunately can’t post memes

    But the “oh no anyways” and “on that bombshell” would be appropriate



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The underlying problem that the MAGA movement have is how to replace Trump when the time comes.

    There simply isn't anyone remotely close to him in terms of ability to drive that cult of personality that is the engine of their current "success".

    He is the head preacher of a political mega church and just as none of those Churches ever really survive the loss of the original leader I think that MAGA will suffer in the same way.

    The "Tech Bro" faction are utterly devoid of personality and charisma - Vance, Musk , Thiel etc.

    The Political nerds - Rubio , Cruz et al are equally lacking in the charisma department and have a bit of a "deep state" stink on them in the eyes of the Cult..

    Don Jr and Eric are simply nepo-baby f*ckwits that have failed to inherit any of daddies Carnival barker skills.

    There really isn't anyone making a decent case to be the next leader.



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