Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

I wonder how many FF TDs support him, they should all be put on the spot and asked openly if they agree with him

That's a very good question and I'd love if Ben did that.

I've heard some ludicrous statements being made by him, but that's outrageous.

What would be your specific objection to that out of interest?

The majority of Irish people today are descendants of various groups who at some point warred against and slaughtered other people on the island (Celts, Gaels, Normans, Vikings, English, Scots etc etc) and who eventually mixed together. We are literally the genetic product of a melange of various peoples who at times on this island would have, and did, gladly and brutally massacre eachother. Those groups who once would have slit the others throats blended into a group that developed a sense of collective Irish identity during the time of the emergence of nationalism (which I guess is part of the reason people view the idea of "Irish" as being tied to a particular snapshot of the Irish people in the period of the 18th to the early 20th century.

Right up to the modern day however, the overall genetic make up of Irish people continues to develop. More and more Irish-born people are in relationships and having kids with Polish / other Eastern European people, as well as people of Asian and African origin. We also of course have a large emigrant population, some of whom will return with foreign partners and bear children with them.

Imagine any other ethnic group being called a “mongrel race” on national television, there’d be outrage, protests, public apologies, heads would roll, but when it’s the Irish It’s aired on RTE, funded by the public, pushed by the establishment, and somehow we’re expected to swallow it.
It’s a insult to the Irish people, and it’s a sick double standard.
The people of this country have every right to be furious. We’re being ridiculed in our own country by the very institutions meant to represent us. Enough is enough!

I'm well aware of the history of the country and the various conflicts fought over the centuries.

We know what the government and RTE is trying to do here, its no coincidence Martin comes with outrageous statements like this and RTE has this series being aired at the same time.

Anyone care to discuss how Michael Martin is a puppet of the WEF?

Is the WEF an NGO or are they distinct from the NGO conspiracy.

Is Michael Martin controlled by both the WEF and the NGOs?

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Well, mongrel is just a word to describe being of mixed breeding. I can see how someone might take offence to its usage to describe people but ultimately it would seem a lot less offensive to me if it's used broadly to say that all humans are essentially mongrels in terms of their ethnic make up. Taken at its base meaning, this is simply a statement of fact. I don't think it's something that reflects contempt, as long as one isn't using to dehumanise or disparage a particular group, because there is no human alive today who is not a mongrel in relation to their ethnic genetic make up.

And sure — people in Ireland may have been less diverse in their genetic make up than other more central regions of Europe or the major trading powers, but it was still a mixture nonetheless. We would be more genetically diverse than certain groups in the world, when you go all the way to groups like Aboriginal Australians or certain isolated tribes.

Not only is this documentary using the word ‘mongrels’ to describe Irish people it is also trying to push the idea that Ireland was an agent of colonialism

To people defending this. Imagine a documentary about any other group of people and a headline in the Irish Times with the very same quote. Imagine if Trump said that about a group of people. It’s not ok to say it about anyone and it’s not ok to say it about Irish people

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/06/04/eus-federalist-elite-cannot-ignore-whats-happening-in-poland-and-the-netherlands/

Who would have known Michael McDowell would be such a sensible commentator? Across Europe the business as usual approach to immigration is not sufficient anymore, people are ahead of the politicians. Reform is simply essential.

Its all about blurring the lines about identity, claiming people aren't who they thought they were or that they can be anything they want because a piece of paper says so. Its muddying the water and the politicians are playing into the globalist and Brussels elites hands. National identy and sovereignty are under attack across the EU, and as usual, wanting to be the best in class, our lot are lapping it up.

From the dictionary:

"However, mongrel is also a racist slur applied to people who are considered to be or who identify as mixed-race".

What hope what we got when our own"leaders" hate us. I'd say the EU love this guy.

Utter hyperbolic nonsense.

I am no fan of Michael Martin but to refer to him hating the Irish is ridiculous conspiracy stuff.

To be honest I am confused as to whether or not this post is satire. Funny if it is concerning if it's not.

Yeah this has to be just the beginning. Deportations straight onto flights so they don't have the opportunity to break more rules would be ideal and make the country safer.