Shooting in Carlow

Do we need stringent security in shopping centres and all large events going forward anymore than we did say Saturday?

I don’t imagine so.

You were the very person saying you'd be thinking twice about ever bringing your family to Fairgreen again on Sunday…

Anyway, obviously any action that's going to cause a public panic is inherently dangerous - it's the whole "Shouting 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre" thing. I can't believe people are actually trying to debate that.

And we never will if we don't grant bail as advised by Gardai to people who illegally import/procure weapons.

I don't even understand what's recreational about lethal weapons. I can understand the origin of the Biathlon event when hunting guns were part of agrarian life, which was once the norm, but isn't now.

Thanks Jack, I fully agree, and I wasn't really looking for anyone to go there with me. It wouldn't be appropriate in the context of an event where there's a grieving family etc. I've also kept away from the mental health forum for the same reason. I was in two minds about posting, but I see so many of these threads and when the mental health thing is inevitably brought up it's inevitably in accordance with one narrative, a narrative that is increasingly being discredited. I thought it was important to provide another perspective, and a source where others can go, if they so choose.

I do think it's a discussion that could be had in another thread - we'll see.

Are there not regulations about having your legally held firearms secured ?

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To the many, many on here questioning why the gardai were so eager to clarify the nationality/ethnicity of the shooter after the incident, there is a post on Shitter from an Irish far right gobshite, who has previously been retweeted by musk, at over 5.5m views and ~80k likes saying that there was a “massacre” in the shopping centre with kids shot and that it’s time for a civil war. Not one iota of the post is true, but 80k likes and over 5m views. That is what they are up against when trying to get the facts out there

Depends on what you consider a massacre, in the US a mass shooting is defined as one where there are 4 or more casualties.

In Ireland, a non-restricted shotgun has up to 3 rounds and is more than "good" enough for a mass shooting. Shotguns cause huge damage at close range. That a massacre has been avoided here seems to be more about the guy not wanting to carry out a massacre, losing his nerve etc. rather his choice of gun.

I think the sad thing for me about people like that is they were probably disappointed nobody was killed.

I'm not sure if we are referring to same person but I saw tweet which said 9 were killed. I mean what type sick **** do you have be to post that.

And then you have likes of Phillip O Dwyer giving **** to a fireman.

Lunatics.

Hysterics? Haha. He didn't, because he couldn't. - because the guns and explosives were seized.

He could have legally purchased airsoft versions of those weapons if he had an innocent interest in them. Instead, he went to the dark web to purchase the real weapons, plus ammunition, plus explosives.

Those weapons and explosives were subsequently seized, and he was released on bail.

He went to a shopping centre, discharged a shotgun, then shot himself with that shotgun. A very public place and very unusual choice for suicide by gunshot, I think any reasonable person would agree.

People are entitled to speculate why he might have gone to all that trouble to secretly obtain those lethal weapons and explosives.

Might I invite you and any others to a range to experince shooting a firearm in perfectly safe conditions and dispel possibly a few myths in the process?

Absolutely!Its graded on how many you own and at minimum requires a single lockable gun cabinet,up to needing monitored alarms, security graded locks on doors& windows and a security standard gunsafe ,and those are minimum requirements,a Garda Superintendent can ask for extra security measures if he thinks it necessary.

But it wouldn't matter if you had Fort Knox security,and you still have access to them because the local law enforcement left you access to them after you have been caught purchasing and smuggling illegal arms and raided your house and somehow missed that you have a legally liscensed shotgun in your name or have access to one.

they said the gun was legally registered to an associate, Im wondering if they will prosecute that person.

You bet they will!They'll throw the damn book at them if this is the case,esp if this idiot knew what legal trouble this loser was in regarding firearms.You cant "loan" someone you gun in Ireland even if the two of you are liscensed to the same type of firearm.We liscense the gun, not the man in Ireland,unlike the UK and EU.Here he would have to be liscensed as a dual cert holder on that gun,and if this was the case,the dual liscense holder certainly would be aware of this losers problems,and is looking at criminal charges for allowing them access to their firearm.