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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    The German people did the very same during the Nazi reign where they turn on their cheap radios and listen to Goebbels.

    When the Russians are so indoctrinated into Putins Russia where outside influences are cut off, slowly the Russians start getting brainwashed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,201 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    As Christopher Hitchens said of life in North Korea

    There's nothing to watch, there's nothing to see. All the television programs, when it's working, are all about the Dear Leader, as are all operas, all films, all concert performances and all public lectures. There's nothing else to talk about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Could be worse, they could have Netflix.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,016 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Looks like the Kerch bridge defences may have been probed by sea drones. Don't want to waste any precious Taurus.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    They instead handed the Russians a list of Ukrainian children the Russian Criminals have kidnapped and are brainwashing and sexually abusing

    https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/peace-talks-istanbul-czf62tr5s



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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Try not sound so excited

    I took these figures and put them into / using area calculator

    Unoccupied area of oblasts Russia claims is theirs and wants Ukraine to just hand over without a fight (among many other stupid demands):

    • Luhansk - 0
    • Donetsk - 5949km^2
    • Zaporizhe - 5593km^2 (mostly on other side of large river)
    • Kherson - 6431km^2 (almost all on other side of a certain river)

    That’s 4 more years at these rates (assuming they are not Russian lies and somehow Russians learn to cross the Dnipro)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,791 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Ukranians are quite inventive and innovative. No idea where they'd pop up next.

    Would not be surprised if they do a lot of damage somewhere out far East.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    The Russians are so godamn stupid

    If they were smart they would want Ukraine to join EU and NATO after a ceasefire

    As those memberships would prevent Ukrainians (by tying their hands) from recapturing all their lost land and people the moment Putin dies and Russia falls into the now inevitable civil war between criminals fighting over the corpse of Russia (while China rectifies their century of humiliation out in far east)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,318 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    "Try not to sound so excited".

    Please explain what you mean by this.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Or depressed I guess

    The Russian propaganda machine wants to paint a bleak picture that Russian advances are inevitable and unstoppable

    When in reality we’ve been in a stalemate for months now, at these rates they are years away from capturing what they illegally claimed by changing their constitution, decades from recapturing what they had in 2022, centuries it would take to defeat Ukraine at these rates

    we’ve seen reverses and unthinkable events time and time again

    Don’t fall for Russian lies and psychological propaganda @RoyalCelt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭yagan


    I'm sure there's Trump diehards who believe Canada is rightfully theirs and nothing will persuade them otherwise.

    I'm sure there's millions of Putin believers who feel the same about Ukraine and the baltics, but saying otherwise could get you either volunteered for the front or punished in some other way.

    Russia is vast and a strong man myth holds it together, but withdrawing from Ukraine now would puncture the myth of Putin so he'll won't let go.

    If Ukraine did manage to get Putin the question then becomes can anyone sustain the greater Russia myth?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,016 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I've heard that NATO now wants to join Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Ukraine have taken out the Kerch bridge again 😂



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Yep news breaking now

    Edit; so beside placing several hundred KGs of explosives on the worlds most guarded bridge they even placed a camera to record it, epic level of trolling the Russian security services now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    They're even trying to rehabilitate Stalin in Russia and float the idea that the USSR should never have been dissolved to begin with and could or should be reinstated.

    Putin never got out of the KGB mindset, he and his cronies want the good old days of socialist oppression back. You couldn't make it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,791 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Yeah, other sources are slowly picking this up.

    https://www.newsweek.com/crimea-bridge-hit-explosion-2080254

    Think it's going to be one of those keep poking it plans until Putins monument collapses.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    Reports of 2nd explosion on twitter now



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,611 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    Putting the explosives deep on the supports too, very smartly done. That's going to be a lot harder to fix than whatever slap-dash repair the Russians did when the road-deck was bombed. This undermines the stability of that whole section until the Russians somehow figure out how to fix it. If it's bad enough damaged, the whole beam might have to be torn down and relayed.

    However, I don't see them having the resources or cop-on to do that. More likely they'll patch it with something, and then over the next couple of months heavy amour traffic over the bridge will eventually trigger a collapse. A whole trainload of equipment might end up upgraded to submarines if the Russians are especially unlucky.

    It will be interesting to see how badly the bridge is hurt when more reports come out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,401 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Gorbachev was one of the greatest leaders of Russian history. He ended socialism and slavery in an almost completely bloodless manner freeing hundreds of millions of people. Despite that, most Russians have a low opinion of his leadership. He didn't even get a state funeral when he died 2 years ago.

    Stalin on the other hand can kill millions of his own people and they now back to naming cities after him again.

    I've met Russians down through the years and I know not all of them think in this way. Unfortunately, the majority are swayed by this "strong man" leadership characteristic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭EmergencyExit


    Love it, hopefully true.

    It's obvious now Russia is a complete paper tiger and they have zero response to the engenius Ukrainian army. It's a shame Europe isn't providing them with what's required to finish off the gremlin in Moscow but at this rate they may do it themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,791 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,288 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    That’s impressive work.

    Whatever about the Siberian airfields where the Russians were probably complacent, that bridge must be highly protected.

    To get on to place a camera and bombs is amazing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Hopefully the start to another good day for Ukraine!

    Taking bets here: How long until our local Vatniks show up talking about how Ukraine lost another field after killing 2000 Russians?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭EmergencyExit


    The Ukrainian camera people deserve the oscar next year for the work they are doing lately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭8mv


    That was my experience in my time in Russia (pre-Putin). Stalin was revered because that was when the world was afraid of Russia / USSR and progress was seen to be on a par with the West. Breshnev was fine - everybody had work and a place to live with no shortages of essential items. People were unwilling to talk about Chernenko and Andropov, but Gorbachev was reviled by many. Yes, he opened the country but Russia was no longer a world power and no longer feared. I can understand how Putin has grown his power through projecting a perception of the strong man.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,619 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    I do wonder if instead of placing the camera that they just hacked into existing cameras that are already there for security reasons. If they did it would be amazing and would show just how bad the Russian online security infrastructure is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,366 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I just got a message from a Ukrainian buddy that further attacks on the bridge are ongoing now as well as multiple power stations in occupied Ukraine being hit too. He says much of SE Ukraine is now without power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,632 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    If only Russia had agreed to the unconditional 30 day ceasefire that Ukraine was proposing!!

    They'd still have a safe Kerch bridge, and a third of their bomber fleet!!

    Can any of the vatnconcerned posters explain why Russia didn't just accept the ceasefire which would have prevented the loss of equipment/structural Integrity?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,154 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Sushko can be overly optimistic, hopefully the attack is as sustained as he says.

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    That is one of the pillars supporting the central section that has been targeted. It's not a solid mass of concrete all the way to the bedrock, you can see in the photo below how the column sits atop the piles underneath.

    image.png

    I don't understand why Sushko is now saying that the sea drones are clearing a path through the defences. There are no barriers for the shipping channel; I assume there is considerable active monitoring of the activity in the water there because of that. But if they have weakened a particular support it would make sense to target that one again with the aim of bringing down the span and blocking the channel.



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